MaudDib wrote:One thing that doesn't get talked about with Cabrera is his willingness to play a position he likely knew he wasn't good at.
What. This gets talked about absolutely nonstop.
I guess not in my world then. In all the blogs and podcasts that I subscribe to, it never gets talked about. I am probably more connected to the stats side of baseball so all I hear about is how great Trout is and how he clearly was the greatest player on earth. Gets really old when you only ever hear one side of an argument especially when you know perfectly well the other guy was pretty darn good too.
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Cabrera actually gets a significant boost in his positional WAR for playing 3B instead of 1B so it all evens out in that respect. It's not like he's good defensively at either position, anyway.
It also should be reiterated that there is no objective argument that can be made based on the facts available that Cabrera was more valuable than Trout in 2012. It really shouldn't have been a debate.
MaudDib wrote:One thing that doesn't get talked about with Cabrera is his willingness to play a position he likely knew he wasn't good at. The Tigers signed Fielder and Cabrera was willing to move to a much harder position for the betterment of the team. When Michael Young did it, he was praised for his leadership and putting the team ahead of himself. When Jeter refused and put a better defender at 3B, we lambasted him for his selfishness. And yet when Cabrera does an unselfish act, we make fun of him and then hold it against him after a tremendous season. If Cabrera was playing 1st, his numbers wouldn't be nearly as bad and his WAR and other stats wouldn't be quite as far off from Trouts. He also relearned a tough position and still hit the crap out of the ball. We usually give players a pass if they are learning new position and don't hit as well but Cabrera didn't have that problem either.
Trout maybe had a better season but Cabrera had a very good one and did a lot of things to help his team better even if it doesn't show up on a stat sheet.
hahahaha
Cabrera has always wanted to paly 3B. How is moving from 1B to 3B considered a sacrifice, anyway? That's like saying he was willing to move from 8th in the order up to 4th. oooh, what a team player. If he moved to DH since he's a terrible fielder, that might be something to laud him for. But we know that ain't happening.
MaudDib wrote:One thing that doesn't get talked about with Cabrera is his willingness to play a position he likely knew he wasn't good at. The Tigers signed Fielder and Cabrera was willing to move to a much harder position for the betterment of the team. When Michael Young did it, he was praised for his leadership and putting the team ahead of himself. When Jeter refused and put a better defender at 3B, we lambasted him for his selfishness. And yet when Cabrera does an unselfish act, we make fun of him and then hold it against him after a tremendous season. If Cabrera was playing 1st, his numbers wouldn't be nearly as bad and his WAR and other stats wouldn't be quite as far off from Trouts. He also relearned a tough position and still hit the crap out of the ball. We usually give players a pass if they are learning new position and don't hit as well but Cabrera didn't have that problem either.
Trout maybe had a better season but Cabrera had a very good one and did a lot of things to help his team better even if it doesn't show up on a stat sheet.
hahahaha Cabrera has always wanted to paly 3B. How is moving from 1B to 3B considered a sacrifice, anyway? That's like saying he was willing to move from 8th in the order up to 4th. oooh, what a team player. If he moved to DH since he's a terrible fielder, that might be something to laud him for. But we know that ain't happening.
How do you know he always wanted to play 3B? Because he said so? Of course he is going to say that unless he is only thinking of himself. A team player isn't ever going to say to the media that he doesn't want to do it. He did what was asked and he did it happily. Something I can't say everyone does even in the real world.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."- Douglas Adams
mweir145 wrote:Cabrera actually gets a significant boost in his positional WAR for playing 3B instead of 1B so it all evens out in that respect. It's not like he's good defensively at either position, anyway.
It also should be reiterated that there is no objective argument that can be made based on the facts available that Cabrera was more valuable than Trout in 2012. It really shouldn't have been a debate.
It was hardly the worst selection ever. George Bell in 1987 was a absolutely horrible selection. Justin Morneau in 2006 was a bad selection (even more clear now then at the time it was made). Tejada in 2002 was a terrible choice.
"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.
I have no doubt that Trout would have won were it not for his slide in the second half while Cabrera was hitting better. Pretty excited to see how Trout does next season. Will he prove the first half Trout is the real deal, or was it an amazing stretch from a relative unknown? As for Posey, would he have won if his teammate didn't get busted?
BitterDodgerFan wrote:nobody talks about posey playing for a bay area team, a region that produces the most sophisticated PEDS and have produced some of the great cheaters.
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