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Re: MVP Winners

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:37 pm

thedude wrote:Want to see a real head scratcher?

John Lowe (Detroit Free Press):

1.Cabrera
2.Trout
3. Johnson
4. Beltre
5.Jeter
6. Hamilton
7. Rodney
8. Cespedes
9. Fielder
10. Ibanez


Is that Jim Johnson???
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Re: MVP Winners

Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:15 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:
thedude wrote:Want to see a real head scratcher?

John Lowe (Detroit Free Press):

1.Cabrera
2.Trout
3. Johnson
4. Beltre
5.Jeter
6. Hamilton
7. Rodney
8. Cespedes
9. Fielder
10. Ibanez


Is that Jim Johnson???


Detlef Johnson.
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Re: MVP Winners

Postby thedude » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:05 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:
thedude wrote:Want to see a real head scratcher?

John Lowe (Detroit Free Press):

1.Cabrera
2.Trout
3. Johnson
4. Beltre
5.Jeter
6. Hamilton
7. Rodney
8. Cespedes
9. Fielder
10. Ibanez


Is that Jim Johnson???



Yes. Jim Johnson also received a fourth place vote (from Mark Whicker of the Orange County Register, who voted for Cabrera over his home town player Trout).
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Re: MVP Winners

Postby Skin Blues » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:35 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:
thedude wrote:Want to see a real head scratcher?

John Lowe (Detroit Free Press):

1.Cabrera
2.Trout
3. Johnson
4. Beltre
5.Jeter
6. Hamilton
7. Rodney
8. Cespedes
9. Fielder
10. Ibanez


Is that Jim Johnson???

Yeah it's pretty bad when the last name alone isn't enough to identify who got a 3rd place vote on an MVP ballot. And Raul Ibanez... seriously. Half of a DH platoon that managed a .761 OPS against almost exclusively opposite-handed pitching in only 384 ABs. Gotta be the worst palyer in history to have received an MVP vote, no?
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Re: MVP Winners

Postby silverZ » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:43 pm

Good stuff. Well played GF.

I'm not surprised Jim Johnson got a 3rd place vote, just disappointed. :-P
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Re: MVP Winners

Postby Izenhart » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:59 pm

Skin Blues wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
thedude wrote:Want to see a real head scratcher?

John Lowe (Detroit Free Press):

1.Cabrera
2.Trout
3. Johnson
4. Beltre
5.Jeter
6. Hamilton
7. Rodney
8. Cespedes
9. Fielder
10. Ibanez


Is that Jim Johnson???

Yeah it's pretty bad when the last name alone isn't enough to identify who got a 3rd place vote on an MVP ballot. And Raul Ibanez... seriously. Half of a DH platoon that managed a .761 OPS against almost exclusively opposite-handed pitching in only 384 ABs. Gotta be the worst palyer in history to have received an MVP vote, no?


The Ibanez vote is really dumb. Actually this whole card is atrocious. Rodney, Cespedes, Johnson third... wow. The only more shocking ballot I have ever seen is the one where John Lopez cast a Hall of Fame vote for Jim Deshaies.

MVP and the HOF voting is so messed up right now. At least HOF voting can correct past mistakes most of the time.
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Re: MVP Winners

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Re: MVP Winners

Postby thedude » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:20 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:Grant is the best.



Great great article.
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Re: MVP Winners

Postby MaudDib » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:21 am

One thing that doesn't get talked about with Cabrera is his willingness to play a position he likely knew he wasn't good at. The Tigers signed Fielder and Cabrera was willing to move to a much harder position for the betterment of the team. When Michael Young did it, he was praised for his leadership and putting the team ahead of himself. When Jeter refused and put a better defender at 3B, we lambasted him for his selfishness. And yet when Cabrera does an unselfish act, we make fun of him and then hold it against him after a tremendous season. If Cabrera was playing 1st, his numbers wouldn't be nearly as bad and his WAR and other stats wouldn't be quite as far off from Trouts. He also relearned a tough position and still hit the crap out of the ball. We usually give players a pass if they are learning new position and don't hit as well but Cabrera didn't have that problem either.

Trout maybe had a better season but Cabrera had a very good one and did a lot of things to help his team better even if it doesn't show up on a stat sheet.
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Re: MVP Winners

Postby GiantsFan14 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:30 pm

MaudDib wrote:One thing that doesn't get talked about with Cabrera is his willingness to play a position he likely knew he wasn't good at.


What. This gets talked about absolutely nonstop.
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