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Postby Pvigs » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:42 pm

It's a 12 player keeper league. Do I keep Ortiz? Not sure if I want to take a chance on him. Or should i take a chance on one of the other players. Also trades are open in the off season I would like to try and get another pitcher. Was thinking about Sheilds. But not sure who to trade for him.
This is my team. Thanks for any help. WHIP

C Carlos Santana, Cle C, 1B, DH
1B Justin Smoak, Sea 1B
2B Danny Espinosa, Wsh 2B, SS
3B Miguel Cabrera, Det 1B, 3B
SS Josh Rutledge, Col SS
2B/SS Jeff Keppinger, TB 2B, 1B, 3B, DH
1B/3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil 3B
OF B.J. Upton, TB OF
OF Ryan Braun, Mil OF
OF Austin Jackson, Det OF
UTIL Mike Napoli, Tex C, 1B
UTIL Justin Upton, Ari OF
Bench Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 3B, 1B, DH
Bench David Ortiz, Bos DH
Bench Erick Aybar, LAA SS
Bench Lorenzo Cain, KC OF

P Jered Weaver, LAA SP
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP
P Rafael Soriano, NYY RP
P Cliff Lee, Phi SP
Bench Adam Wainwright, StL SP
Bench Cole Hamels, Phi SP
Bench Greg Holland, KC RP
Bench Matt Harrison, Tex SP
Bench Mike Minor, Atl SP
Bench Scott Baker*, Min SP
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby Pvigs » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:44 pm

One last thing I won my league this and would like to try and do it again. :-D
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby SecretAgentMan » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:05 pm

Pvigs wrote:It's a 12 player keeper league. Do I keep Ortiz? Not sure if I want to take a chance on him. Or should i take a chance on one of the other players. Also trades are open in the off season I would like to try and get another pitcher. Was thinking about Sheilds. But not sure who to trade for him.
This is my team. Thanks for any help. WHIP

C Carlos Santana, Cle C, 1B, DH ;-D
1B Justin Smoak, Sea 1B
2B Danny Espinosa, Wsh 2B, SS
3B Miguel Cabrera, Det 1B, 3B ;-D
SS Josh Rutledge, Col SS
2B/SS Jeff Keppinger, TB 2B, 1B, 3B, DH
1B/3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil 3B ;-D
OF B.J. Upton, TB OF
OF Ryan Braun, Mil OF ;-D
OF Austin Jackson, Det OF ;-D
UTIL Mike Napoli, Tex C, 1B ;-D
UTIL Justin Upton, Ari OF ;-D
Bench Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 3B, 1B, DH ;-D
Bench David Ortiz, Bos DH
Bench Erick Aybar, LAA SS
Bench Lorenzo Cain, KC OF

P Jered Weaver, LAA SP ;-D
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP
P Rafael Soriano, NYY RP
P Cliff Lee, Phi SP ;-D
Bench Adam Wainwright, StL SP
Bench Cole Hamels, Phi SP ;-D
Bench Greg Holland, KC RP
Bench Matt Harrison, Tex SP
Bench Mike Minor, Atl SP
Bench Scott Baker*, Min SP



Assuming you are keeping twelvem, then I do not see Ortiz as you next best keeper. I think you are looking at one of Wainwright or BJ Upton. Ortiz may not be back in Boston next year and is while I absolutely hate BJ Upton, I do not think you can go with Ortiz over him at this point unless you knew for sure how healthy he is and who he will be playing for. And Wainwright is not the worst guy to have from round 12.
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby Cream » Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:30 am

Thanks for the help on mine. My 12 are below.

Pvigs wrote:It's a 12 player keeper league. Do I keep Ortiz? Not sure if I want to take a chance on him. Or should i take a chance on one of the other players. Also trades are open in the off season I would like to try and get another pitcher. Was thinking about Sheilds. But not sure who to trade for him.
This is my team. Thanks for any help. WHIP

C Carlos Santana, Cle C, 1B, DH ;-D
1B Justin Smoak, Sea 1B
2B Danny Espinosa, Wsh 2B, SS
3B Miguel Cabrera, Det 1B, 3B ;-D
SS Josh Rutledge, Col SS
2B/SS Jeff Keppinger, TB 2B, 1B, 3B, DH
1B/3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil 3B ;-D
OF B.J. Upton, TB OF
OF Ryan Braun, Mil OF ;-D
OF Austin Jackson, Det OF ;-D
UTIL Mike Napoli, Tex C, 1B ;-D
UTIL Justin Upton, Ari OF ;-D
Bench Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 3B, 1B, DH ;-D
Bench David Ortiz, Bos DH
Bench Erick Aybar, LAA SS
Bench Lorenzo Cain, KC OF

P Jered Weaver, LAA SP ;-D
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP
P Rafael Soriano, NYY RP
P Cliff Lee, Phi SP ;-D
Bench Adam Wainwright, StL SP ;-D
Bench Cole Hamels, Phi SP ;-D
Bench Greg Holland, KC RP
Bench Matt Harrison, Tex SP
Bench Mike Minor, Atl SP
Bench Scott Baker*, Min SP
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby bigguy1551 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:16 pm

I agree on this for the most part. I think Ortiz is too big an if, and Upton IS one of those players i dont like. Wainwright would be a good fit but there is one pitcher you have that a lot of people are going to overlook because of his overall stats. Mike Minor. He had a terrible start but these are his stats since th first of July
15 starts, 14 of them quality starts. 7 wins 1.918 era, 0.874 whip and 73 k's in 92.2 innings.
73/18 K/BB. Thats the stuff an ACE is made of. Its justa thought, hes being given great consideration to making my protected roster.

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Pvigs wrote:It's a 12 player keeper league. Do I keep Ortiz? Not sure if I want to take a chance on him. Or should i take a chance on one of the other players. Also trades are open in the off season I would like to try and get another pitcher. Was thinking about Sheilds. But not sure who to trade for him.
This is my team. Thanks for any help. WHIP

C Carlos Santana, Cle C, 1B, DH ;-D
1B Justin Smoak, Sea 1B
2B Danny Espinosa, Wsh 2B, SS
3B Miguel Cabrera, Det 1B, 3B ;-D
SS Josh Rutledge, Col SS
2B/SS Jeff Keppinger, TB 2B, 1B, 3B, DH
1B/3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil 3B ;-D
OF B.J. Upton, TB OF
OF Ryan Braun, Mil OF ;-D
OF Austin Jackson, Det OF ;-D
UTIL Mike Napoli, Tex C, 1B ;-D
UTIL Justin Upton, Ari OF ;-D
Bench Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 3B, 1B, DH ;-D
Bench David Ortiz, Bos DH
Bench Erick Aybar, LAA SS
Bench Lorenzo Cain, KC OF

P Jered Weaver, LAA SP ;-D
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP
P Rafael Soriano, NYY RP
P Cliff Lee, Phi SP ;-D
Bench Adam Wainwright, StL SP
Bench Cole Hamels, Phi SP ;-D
Bench Greg Holland, KC RP
Bench Matt Harrison, Tex SP
Bench Mike Minor, Atl SP
Bench Scott Baker*, Min SP



Assuming you are keeping twelvem, then I do not see Ortiz as you next best keeper. I think you are looking at one of Wainwright or BJ Upton. Ortiz may not be back in Boston next year and is while I absolutely hate BJ Upton, I do not think you can go with Ortiz over him at this point unless you knew for sure how healthy he is and who he will be playing for. And Wainwright is not the worst guy to have from round 12.
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby Pvigs » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:57 pm

I understand what you guys are saying. But BJ was almost a 30 30 guy. SBs is huge and that he hits Hr is a plus. No? Do you guys think he is going to get worse next season not better?
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby SecretAgentMan » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:18 pm

Pvigs wrote:I understand what you guys are saying. But BJ was almost a 30 30 guy. SBs is huge and that he hits Hr is a plus. No? Do you guys think he is going to get worse next season not better?



Same garbage from Upton. Has to be the most overratd player (along with his brother) in fantasy for the past 5-6 years. Low avg, a ton of Ks, some steals..mediocre power. His hrs this year were a high and I simply do not believe. Here are his avg/hr/rbi splits since 2006.

.246 1 10
.300 24 82
.273 9 67
.241 11 55
.237 18 62
.243 23 81
.246 28 78


He hits in th 240s or worse the last 4 years. He essentially has 20-25 HR power. He has never driven in more than 82. His numbers this year are essentally the same as last year with a minor tick up in HRs. HIs SBs actually went down this year though. The only thing this guy does well is steal bases for you. He kills your avg and produces mediocre power and rbi (and run) totals for an OF. In the 15th round, I have no problem picking him up. As a keeper, he is marginal at best. The track record with Upton is pretty well established and those still holding out hope that this guy becomes the next elite player are still drinking the kool aid. He is what he is imo.

That said, if Ortiz is healthy and playing in a favorable park with a good offensive team, I would consider him the better pick. But you simply do not know with him at this point. Even if he returns to Boston, one has to wondoer how healthy he is and how good the Boston offense is likely to be next season.
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby SecretAgentMan » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:23 pm

bigguy1551 wrote:I agree on this for the most part. I think Ortiz is too big an if, and Upton IS one of those players i dont like. Wainwright would be a good fit but there is one pitcher you have that a lot of people are going to overlook because of his overall stats. Mike Minor. He had a terrible start but these are his stats since th first of July
15 starts, 14 of them quality starts. 7 wins 1.918 era, 0.874 whip and 73 k's in 92.2 innings.
73/18 K/BB. Thats the stuff an ACE is made of. Its justa thought, hes being given great consideration to making my protected roster.



The problem with Minor is he is inconsistent and just as you think he has his act together he goes and stins the joint up for a few weeks. He is not a top 15 round pick next year imo and is a late round flier you take on the hopes that he does indeed break out and get it together. I would not spend a keeper pick on him if I had better options.
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Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby Pvigs » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:04 pm

My other question is how good is Napoli this year numbers are that great. I know he got hurt but he only 4 more games than he did last year. I was going to keep wianwrite over him. I also have Santana to catch. and more than enough 1st 3rd corner guys. Any thoughts.
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Re: Re: Help with keepers please.WHIP

Postby dominodoug » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:38 am

Pvigs wrote:C Carlos Santana, Cle C, 1B, DH :-)
1B Justin Smoak, Sea 1B
2B Danny Espinosa, Wsh 2B, SS
3B Miguel Cabrera, Det 1B, 3B :-)
SS Josh Rutledge, Col SS
2B/SS Jeff Keppinger, TB 2B, 1B, 3B, DH
1B/3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil 3B
OF B.J. Upton, TB OF :-)
OF Ryan Braun, Mil OF :-)
OF Austin Jackson, Det OF
UTIL Mike Napoli, Tex C, 1B
UTIL Justin Upton, Ari OF :-)
Bench Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 3B, 1B, DH :-)
Bench David Ortiz, Bos DH
Bench Erick Aybar, LAA SS
Bench Lorenzo Cain, KC OF

P Jered Weaver, LAA SP :-)
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP
P Rafael Soriano, NYY RP
P Cliff Lee, Phi SP :-)
Bench Adam Wainwright, StL SP :-)
Bench Cole Hamels, Phi SP :-)
Bench Greg Holland, KC RP
Bench Matt Harrison, Tex SP
Bench Mike Minor, Atl SP
Bench Scott Baker*, Min SP

Last two spots are a toss up for me. I'd go for Papi and Jackson. Tough call.


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