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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby ayebatter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:51 pm

On to Texas v. Baltimore - bbq brisket v. crab cakes
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:52 pm

Terrible play by the barves.
Terrible call by the ump.
Embarrassing reaction by the fans.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:19 pm

Protest rejected. Lol mlb. Lol umps. Lol baseball.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby ayebatter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:37 pm

Saunders looked pretty good tonight.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:05 pm

How is anyone even debating that call? "Infield fly" has nothing to do with the actual boundaries of the infield, but whether or not an infielder has a play on the ball.
the MLB rulebook wrote:An infield fly is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort

That looked like pretty ordinary effort to me.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby kab21 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:11 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:How is anyone even debating that call? "Infield fly" has nothing to do with the actual boundaries of the infield, but whether or not an infielder has a play on the ball.
the MLB rulebook wrote:An infield fly is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort

That looked like pretty ordinary effort to me.


Is this sarcastic because it doesn't sound like it? It was a terrible call and it was made too late.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby Saltydog » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:18 pm

From http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp

An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the purpose of this rule.
When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare “Infield Fly” for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the baselines, the umpire shall declare “Infield Fly, if Fair.”
The ball is alive and runners may advance at the risk of the ball being caught, or retouch and advance after the ball is touched, the same as on any fly ball. If the hit becomes a foul ball, it is treated the same as any foul.
If a declared Infield Fly is allowed to fall untouched to the ground, and bounces foul before passing first or third base, it is a foul ball. If a declared Infield Fly falls untouched to the ground outside the baseline, and bounces fair before passing first or third base, it is an Infield Fly.
Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly) Comment: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder— not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the base lines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder. The infield fly is in no sense to be considered an appeal play. The umpire’s judgment must govern, and the decision should be made immediately.
When an infield fly rule is called, runners may advance at their own risk. If on an infield fly rule, the infielder intentionally drops a fair ball, the ball remains in play despite the provisions of Rule 6.05 (L). The infield fly rule takes precedence.


The only question is the final bolded portion of decision being made immediately, but "Where it seems apparent" and "The umpires judgement must govern" applies.

He got it right.

Sorry Braves fans. Maybe the 3 errors that were made would be a better target for your wrath.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby kab21 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:52 pm

Then I'm going to disagree on what you call ordinary effort. there was also no reason to protect the runners since the ball was in LF. they weren't going to double them up.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby Art Vandelay » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:39 am

kab21 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:How is anyone even debating that call? "Infield fly" has nothing to do with the actual boundaries of the infield, but whether or not an infielder has a play on the ball.
the MLB rulebook wrote:An infield fly is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort

That looked like pretty ordinary effort to me.


Is this sarcastic because it doesn't sound like it? It was a terrible call and it was made too late.

Not sarcastic at all. I don't know how anyone can see that play and think it wasn't an infield fly.
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Re: 10/5 Cheering/Venting PLAYOFFS !!

Postby ayebatter » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:19 am

Art Vandelay wrote:How is anyone even debating that call? "Infield fly" has nothing to do with the actual boundaries of the infield, but whether or not an infielder has a play on the ball.
the MLB rulebook wrote:An infield fly is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort

That looked like pretty ordinary effort to me.



1. the play was ordinary
2. both Holliday and Kozma could have caught it, but both gave way at the same time
3. the call was late, but correct
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