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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby daullaz » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:11 pm

Trade is official, pending approval from Selig. Gonzalez is in the Dodger lineup tonight.

Sox likely picking up about $12 million of the contracts in the deal (though at that point, why even bother?).

Best two options for the Sox at 1B this offseason: sign Mike Napoli to play first depending on his price or trade a young SP (Doubront, Morales, de la Rosa) in a package for Morneau. Twins would then starting Parmelee at 1B in 2013. Can't imagine re-signing Loney or going after Carlos Lee.

Sox could be in play for Victorino for LF, could give Melky a make-good contract on the cheap, could even throw some money at Bourn and move Ellsbury to LF for the time being if they don't want to give him a monster extension.
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby RedHopeful » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:33 pm

MashinSpuds wrote:Ellsbury likely gone (that's what I think ... why send off big contracts only to sign a new one with an annually banged up guy whose agent is Boras?), the team will look interesting next year. I look forward to it. Even if Papi is let go and Lackey is given a chance to do SP3/4 work, it'll be a great challenge to watch.

Just can't see this coming to fruition. Boston and their fans expect a winner (at least a legitimate competitor), not a 3 year rebuilding plan. They won't let Ellsbury walk.
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:16 pm

Jerry Sands not on the Red Sox yet.
Jerry Sands is one of the PTBNLs in the nine-player trade between the Red Sox and Dodgers.
Sands will join up with the Red Sox once the regular season is over. The 24-year-old outfielder has posted some gaudy power numbers in the Dodgers' system and should be eventually be an everyday contributor in Boston.
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby bleach168 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:08 pm

Wasn't planning on seeing any Dodger games this year, but now it looks like I'll be making 3-4 trips to Dodger Stadium. Somebody's gotta pay for Crawford's salary. :-D
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby benb18a » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:13 pm

I would like to ask a couple questions about some particulars of this situation.

1. How exactly do players of this caliber slip through the waivers process? Is it considered imprudent to claim a player when a "trade" is obvious due to the caliber of player being waived? If so, how is this any different than doing a midnight drop/drop trade after the deadline in a fantasy league? Why even bother having a "trade deadline" in baseball if you're going to allow big trades, hell, the biggest trade of the 21st century so far, to happen after it?

2. If the LAD just got done dealing with bankruptcy...what on earth are they doing spending 260 million dollars on an underperforming pitcher, injury prone/declining outfielder, and a first baseman whose power continues to decline?
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby daullaz » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:31 pm

benb18a wrote:I would like to ask a couple questions about some particulars of this situation.

1. How exactly do players of this caliber slip through the waivers process? Is it considered imprudent to claim a player when a "trade" is obvious due to the caliber of player being waived? If so, how is this any different than doing a midnight drop/drop trade after the deadline in a fantasy league? Why even bother having a "trade deadline" in baseball if you're going to allow big trades, hell, the biggest trade of the 21st century so far, to happen after it?

2. If the LAD just got done dealing with bankruptcy...what on earth are they doing spending 260 million dollars on an underperforming pitcher, injury prone/declining outfielder, and a first baseman whose power continues to decline?


1. Crawford and Beckett aren't worth their contracts -- any team claiming them would have to worry about the Red Sox just letting them go with no compensation. Judging from the rumors about the negotiations, both guys had negative value, as taking both of them was the price of trading Gonzalez. For any team to make a claim on Crawford and Beckett aside from the Dodgers would have been a monumental error. That said, while Gonzalez may be worth the contract he has now, he may not have fit into the budget of the teams that were lower than the Dodgers in the waiver order. With the Red Sox obviously in the mind to clean house, any claiming team would have to consider the unlikely-but-still-existent scenario that they'd end up with a $120MM contract on their books they hadn't expected.

2. Different ownership, one that paid over $2 billion to get the franchise in the first place. They're essentially spending the money from their upcoming TV deal ahead of time, and the new owners obviously have deep enough pockets to be able to afford to do so. Consider the Dodgers the new "Evil Empire," as they're clearly less budget conscious than any team we've ever seen. Good luck to any other team in that division unwilling to spend to keep up.
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby benb18a » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:52 pm

I see. But wouldn't the prospects included in a trade like this be open season? Or are they released/signed outside of the MLB waiver process?
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby Urban Cohorts » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:06 pm

So who do the Sox bring in to replace the void at 1B, LF/RF, and SP?

With so much money coming off the books, are the Sox going to go out and sign the likes of Hamilton and Dempster? What about shipping off some prospects for an established Ace (which this team really needs).

Or maybe the money will just go to Liverpool.

Looks like Ortiz will be back. Can't afford to lose every bat in the lineup other than Ellsbury and Dustin.
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby kab21 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:39 pm

benb18a wrote:I see. But wouldn't the prospects included in a trade like this be open season? Or are they released/signed outside of the MLB waiver process?


It sounds like the Dodgers named them but they are officially called PTBNL's and they won't actually go to the Dodgers until November when there are no trade restrictions.
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Re: Adrian Gonzalez & Josh Beckett & Carl Crawford to Dodger

Postby daullaz » Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:54 am

benb18a wrote:I see. But wouldn't the prospects included in a trade like this be open season? Or are they released/signed outside of the MLB waiver process?


The two prospects named in the official deal didn't have to go through waivers at all as they weren't on the 25-man roster at any point after the July 31 trading deadline.

De la Rosa was, however, and was claimed by the Blue Jays, and the Dodgers decided to pull him back. Since there was a claim placed on him by another team, he couldn't be traded immediately to the Red Sox, which is why we have the PTBNL designation in his case (it seems like a ridiculous loophole to me too).

I'm not sure why Sands was a PNTBL, but my guess is that since he did have one appearance with the Dodgers in August, he was probably placed on waivers at the time and claimed as well, with the Dodgers pulling him back at the time. Since the Red Sox weren't the team that won the claim, he couldn't be included in this trade. Again, that part is a guess.
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