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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby jfg » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:07 pm

I would say Cano is a bit ahead of Cabrera but still miles away from Trout.
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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby Izenhart » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:50 pm

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mkultra wrote:So, by this logic, if neither the Tigers nor the Angels make the playoffs, who wins AL MVP? Hamilton? That just seems silly.


Cano. It's bizarre that he's being ignored in this. I'm going with Trout, but Cano should at least be even with Cabrera.


Cano is having a good season but it isn't great, and he's 50RBI behind what he had last season. Trout has flat out been better offensively. Defensively they have both been A+ and I'd guess a 2B would get more top value. In the end I suppose if the Angels don't make the playoffs it will come down to 'Was Trout so much better than everyone else he gets my vote regardless' rather than Cano or Miggy getting the nod. It could be a close vote, and Trout may not win, but my money is on Trout winning easily no matter what happens to their respective teams. He is a force at the plate, on the bases or in the field. A true 5 tool guy.

Here's their stats up to today for easy eyeballing

Trout / Cano / Miggy
337-100-24-72-41, stellar defense, 4 errors
309-76-25-68-3, stellar defense, 6 errors
324-83-32-106-4, solid defense, 10 errors
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Bench 1 Hart S Cabrera O Eaton U Ortiz P Marcum P Miller P Fernandez
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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby Skin Blues » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:32 pm

"Solid defense" for Miggy is being very generous. He has by far the worst range of any 3B in baseball this year. Last year the only 1B with worse range was Prince Fielder. Verlander should get the MVP just for having those two as his corner infielders! I won't get too much into using batting average and RBI to make MVP arguments. I realize that not everybody is a stat geek, but at this point there's really no excuse for it.
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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby Bwanna » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:48 pm

Skin Blues wrote:"Solid defense" for Miggy is being very generous. He has by far the worst range of any 3B in baseball this year. Last year the only 1B with worse range was Prince Fielder. Verlander should get the MVP just for having those two as his corner infielders! I won't get too much into using batting average and RBI to make MVP arguments. I realize that not everybody is a stat geek, but at this point there's really no excuse for it.


Heard Mitch Williams on MLB network say something like this in regard to his D...

"Miggie handles the balls well that he can reach ... when he falls one way or the other"

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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby jackie hayes » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:43 pm

Izenhart wrote:
jackie hayes wrote:
mkultra wrote:So, by this logic, if neither the Tigers nor the Angels make the playoffs, who wins AL MVP? Hamilton? That just seems silly.


Cano. It's bizarre that he's being ignored in this. I'm going with Trout, but Cano should at least be even with Cabrera.


Cano is having a good season but it isn't great, and he's 50RBI behind what he had last season. Trout has flat out been better offensively. Defensively they have both been A+ and I'd guess a 2B would get more top value. In the end I suppose if the Angels don't make the playoffs it will come down to 'Was Trout so much better than everyone else he gets my vote regardless' rather than Cano or Miggy getting the nod. It could be a close vote, and Trout may not win, but my money is on Trout winning easily no matter what happens to their respective teams. He is a force at the plate, on the bases or in the field. A true 5 tool guy.

Here's their stats up to today for easy eyeballing

Trout / Cano / Miggy
337-100-24-72-41, stellar defense, 4 errors
309-76-25-68-3, stellar defense, 6 errors
324-83-32-106-4, solid defense, 10 errors


Like I said, I'd go with Trout. I just don't get why the discussion is only Miggy v Trout. For those who believe a playoff berth is imperative, Cano would seem to have the edge over Cabrera -- his defense compensates for the offense gap, and his team is in an even better position to get to the postseason, so...
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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby AquaMan2342 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:51 pm

If anybody besides Trout wins, it's a joke.
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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby ayebatter » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:28 pm

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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby rjforlife » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:30 am

ayebatter wrote:Cabrera



Yea this isn't even really all that close anymore. Trout made his splash, but Home Runs and RBI really do the talking in the MVP race, and Miggy has those in spades. The .333 average doesnt hurt either. Trout has been a revelation, but there is no way he beats out Miggy unless he closes the season with about 10 HR/10 SB.
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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby Izenhart » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:12 am

rjforlife wrote:
ayebatter wrote:Cabrera



Yea this isn't even really all that close anymore. Trout made his splash, but Home Runs and RBI really do the talking in the MVP race, and Miggy has those in spades. The .333 average doesnt hurt either. Trout has been a revelation, but there is no way he beats out Miggy unless he closes the season with about 10 HR/10 SB.


I think Cabrera has a shot to win but I honestly think he will need to win the triple crown to do it. And even if he did I still don't think he would be automatic. This isn't just about fantasy numbers, Trout has been exceptional in the field and as a base runner. I'm not sure how missing three weeks will have an effect, but it'll probably hurt him more than help him. It might be a really close vote. How they close out the season is going to have a big impact.
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Re: AL MVP. Mike Trout show?

Postby Skin Blues » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:49 am

Trout is so far ahead of Cabrera that it would be a joke if he didn't win. But it would be basically what I expect from a group of people that puts more value on the quality of the teammates as opposed to the quality of the player himself.
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