I would say that this conversation can gain no steam in any direction. Felix, price, and verlander are close enough to say they are equal and whoever pitches best down the stretch will take it.
Sale threw his hat back into the ring with that domination of the Yanks with 13 K's. He would truly be right there if they hadn't tried to move him into the bullpen for a while and given him nearly 2 weeks rest during/after the break. Maybe that's part of the reason he's getting even stronger now, but he's still in the discussion in my book.
mayor quimby wrote:Idk why you said the NL race is more "wide open." the NL Cy race is much tighter.
Anyway, I think Weaver's name has to at least be mentioned in this thread, but I see Verlander going back to back.
Price is a very very close second, but I strongly agree with Mookie in that WHIP is a very important stat, which Verlander is beating price 1.01 to 1.07.
And even if Price has slightly better numbers when all is said and done, my vote goes to Verlander. He's just the best, plain and simple.
"Wide open" means that it's a tighter race... There's like 8 or 9 guys who could theoretically push to the forefront of the race with a string of very strong starts (though obviously certain guys are in better positions than others).
As for your last point, I don't think the Cy Young or MVP or any other yearly award should take into account career performance. While it would be hard to argue that Verlander is not the "best," the sole consideration should be who's been the best THIS YEAR.
Oh, also, Chris Sale pushed into the top 3/4 last night IMO. DOminant performance.
mayor quimby wrote:Idk why you said the NL race is more "wide open." the NL Cy race is much tighter.
Anyway, I think Weaver's name has to at least be mentioned in this thread, but I see Verlander going back to back.
Price is a very very close second, but I strongly agree with Mookie in that WHIP is a very important stat, which Verlander is beating price 1.01 to 1.07.
And even if Price has slightly better numbers when all is said and done, my vote goes to Verlander. He's just the best, plain and simple.
"Wide open" means that it's a tighter race... There's like 8 or 9 guys who could theoretically push to the forefront of the race with a string of very strong starts (though obviously certain guys are in better positions than others).
As for your last point, I don't think the Cy Young or MVP or any other yearly award should take into account career performance. While it would be hard to argue that Verlander is not the "best," the sole consideration should be who's been the best THIS YEAR.
Oh, also, Chris Sale pushed into the top 3/4 last night IMO. DOminant performance.
Absolutely, the Cy shouldn't be determined based on career performance. But I wasn't really talking about career, I was talking about the factors that play into the decision besides pure stats. JV might not have the best line of stats when the year is done, but I would still consider him the best. Yeah Felix is just plain nasty and Price is electric but Verlander is a perfectionist. Just watching him work is aesthetically pleasing like no other.
And I think that if the race remains this close for the rest of the year, even if Price and King Felix etc. have slightly better stats than Verlander as they do currently, I would think that the Cy still goes to JV.
We can't forget that Verlander has 6 no decisions. In those no decisions he gave up 0, 4, 2, 2, 1, 3, respectively.
But one can never tell how the voting will go. If you take a look at the 2005 AL Cy voting, Bartolo Colon took the Cy from a much, much more deserving Johan Santana. I mean if you look at the number it'll drop your jaw. Still boggles my mind to this day.
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by mweir145 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:55 pm 
