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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby Izenhart » Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:43 pm

Chris Davis could get some consideration, after all it took Cliff Lee like two months to surpass his win total.
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby mayor quimby » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:00 pm

Idk why you said the NL race is more "wide open." the NL Cy race is much tighter.

Anyway, I think Weaver's name has to at least be mentioned in this thread, but I see Verlander going back to back.

Price is a very very close second, but I strongly agree with Mookie in that WHIP is a very important stat, which Verlander is beating price 1.01 to 1.07.

And even if Price has slightly better numbers when all is said and done, my vote goes to Verlander. He's just the best, plain and simple.
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:32 pm

I'm going with Price. Numbers wise, as many of you have indicated, it's very close. With that said, Price deals with a team with a much worse lineup, so there's much more pressure on him to completely shut down opposing teams. He also has to play in the East, where he faces the Yankees, Red Sox, and (dare I say) Orioles many times this year. Those are some powerful lineups.
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby Skin Blues » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:33 pm

If you believe in pitcher WAR, then it's a dead heat between Verlander and Felix, and Price is a distant 3rd. Felix's 18 additional IP over Price can account for a lot of that gap. IP is something that often gets ignored, but Felix going almost 0.5 innings deeper into every start should be taken into consideration. Then again Verlander faces a bunch of crappy teams in the Central while Felix faces 3 teams on the cusp of the playoffs, albeit in Safeco, and the Rays have by far the most difficult difficult set of offenses to play against in all of baseball.

I'd go with Verlander at this point.
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:52 pm

Skin Blues wrote:If you believe in pitcher WAR, then it's a dead heat between Verlander and Felix, and Price is a distant 3rd. Felix's 18 additional IP over Price can account for a lot of that gap. IP is something that often gets ignored, but Felix going almost 0.5 innings deeper into every start should be taken into consideration. Then again Verlander faces a bunch of crappy teams in the Central while Felix faces 3 teams on the cusp of the playoffs, albeit in Safeco, and the Rays have by far the most difficult difficult set of offenses to play against in all of baseball.

I'd go with Verlander at this point.


If you're going to talk about the opponents he faces, then you have to forgive Price's lower WAR. Keep in mind, even though Oakland is a playoff contender, their offense isn't the reason why. I think Price faces the toughest competition.
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby mayor quimby » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:57 pm

A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:
If you're going to talk about the opponents he faces, then you have to forgive Price's lower WAR. Keep in mind, even though Oakland is a playoff contender, their offense isn't the reason why. I think Price faces the toughest competition.


Huge point. The AL east is a pitcher's worst nightmare.
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby ayebatter » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:39 pm

mayor quimby wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:
If you're going to talk about the opponents he faces, then you have to forgive Price's lower WAR. Keep in mind, even though Oakland is a playoff contender, their offense isn't the reason why. I think Price faces the toughest competition.


Huge point. The AL east is a pitcher's worst nightmare.


Price has faced the East 2 more times than Verlander........................go on.. :-°
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:00 pm

ayebatter wrote:
mayor quimby wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:
If you're going to talk about the opponents he faces, then you have to forgive Price's lower WAR. Keep in mind, even though Oakland is a playoff contender, their offense isn't the reason why. I think Price faces the toughest competition.


Huge point. The AL east is a pitcher's worst nightmare.


Price has faced the East 2 more times than Verlander........................go on.. :-°


So an additional 1/12th of his starts? That's real.
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby ayebatter » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:51 pm

A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:
ayebatter wrote:
mayor quimby wrote:
Huge point. The AL east is a pitcher's worst nightmare.


Price has faced the East 2 more times than Verlander........................go on.. :-°


So an additional 1/12th of his starts? That's real.



And Verlander got 4 against Cin/Pit/StL while Price got 2 against Atl/Wash........go on :-°
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Re: AL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby Skin Blues » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:50 pm

Average Runs/game for Verlander's opponents: 4.43. Price: 4.54. So give 11 ERA points to Price to make up the difference, and Price already leads the league by 25 ERA points. Price has clearly been better, although Verly still has a dozen extra IP which makes up the difference. Very tight. Being in the AL East definitely hurts Price more than being in the Central ( :-b ) hurts Verlander.

Looks like whoever has the best September will be getting the trophy. Pretty much a three horse race.
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