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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby jfg » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:29 pm

R.A. Dickey for me but I didn't realize just how dominant Kimbrel has been this year. Put him in a long relief role instead of closer and he'd be my choice for Cy Young assuming he would still be able to put up the numbers.
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:30 pm

jfg wrote:R.A. Dickey for me but I didn't realize just how dominant Kimbrel has been this year. Put him in a long relief role instead of closer and he'd be my choice for Cy Young assuming he would still be able to put up the numbers.


You would give a long reliever the Cy Young? Are you serious?
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby jfg » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:29 pm

Above a closer, yeah, but only if he can maintain his dominance over more innings. If you can take out a starter having a bad day in the 3rd inning and get 3-4 innings of lights out pitching to give the offense a chance to get back in the game that's pretty valuable. More valuable than one inning to close out the game which in most cases would have been won by anybody, and possibly more valuable than a bunch of really good seasons from starters, but not a really great season from anybody. It's all hypothetical of course, one of these seasons maybe a manager will use a dominant reliever in the long relief role.
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:58 pm

jfg wrote:Above a closer, yeah, but only if he can maintain his dominance over more innings. If you can take out a starter having a bad day in the 3rd inning and get 3-4 innings of lights out pitching to give the offense a chance to get back in the game that's pretty valuable. More valuable than one inning to close out the game which in most cases would have been won by anybody, and possibly more valuable than a bunch of really good seasons from starters, but not a really great season from anybody. It's all hypothetical of course, one of these seasons maybe a manager will use a dominant reliever in the long relief role.


It doesn't matter who should get it between a long reliever or a closer. Neither should ever win it over a starter.
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby rjforlife » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:38 pm

Closers can win it, and sometimes deserve it. This year, Kimbrel won't win it and doesn't deserve. He has, however, been disgustingly good, and given this years' crop, should fall into the top 5 without question.
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby GiantsFan14 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:45 pm

rjforlife wrote:and sometimes deserve it.


do you have an example of a closer who deserved to win it?
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby ayebatter » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:18 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:
rjforlife wrote:and sometimes deserve it.


do you have an example of a closer who deserved to win it?


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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby Havok1517 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:53 am

ayebatter wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
rjforlife wrote:and sometimes deserve it.


do you have an example of a closer who deserved to win it?


2003 Eric Gagne


Eck in '92
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby GiantsFan14 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:55 am

ayebatter wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
rjforlife wrote:and sometimes deserve it.


do you have an example of a closer who deserved to win it?


2003 Eric Gagne


Yes it was a crazy good year, but no way in hell did he deserve it over Prior or Schmidt or probably 5 other guys that year. Closers simply do not pitch enough innings to deserve it over dominant full time starters.
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Re: NL Cy Young - Who will it be?

Postby GiantsFan14 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:00 am

Havok1517 wrote:
ayebatter wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
do you have an example of a closer who deserved to win it?


2003 Eric Gagne


Eck in '92


Nope. That'd be even worse than the Gagne pick.

Roger Clemens threw over 160 innings more than eckersley to go along with the best ERA, FIP, and WHIP of any qualified pitcher.
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