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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:43 am

God, lock this thing up before this guy fronts like he's cured cancer or something.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:56 am

Maris09 wrote:God, lock this thing up before this guy fronts like he's cured cancer or something.


I already have, I just don't have any evidence of it.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:58 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:
Maris09 wrote:God, lock this thing up before this guy fronts like he's cured cancer or something.


I already have, I just don't have any evidence of it.

Sounds about right. What else is new? :-D
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:59 am

Maris09 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
Maris09 wrote:God, lock this thing up before this guy fronts like he's cured cancer or something.


I already have, I just don't have any evidence of it.

What else is new.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:59 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:
Maris09 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
I already have, I just don't have any evidence of it.

What else is new.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Agreed.
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Re: Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby wrveres » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:45 am

Maris09 wrote:I don't think anyone here knows what steroids 100% truly do for baseball players
I 100% truly know it doesn't help your eyesight.

And now, so do you. You're just too stubborn to admit it, and as such, I now get to use it as a stick to poke you with at my liesure.


tyvm :)
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Re: Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:21 am

wrveres wrote:
Maris09 wrote:I don't think anyone here knows what steroids 100% truly do for baseball players
I 100% truly know it doesn't help your eyesight.

And now, so do you. You're just too stubborn to admit it, and as such, I now get to use it as a stick to poke you with at my liesure.


tyvm :)

Oh god, you again? You gotta spark stuff up again when we're trying to just end it? Classy.

And no, I don't believe you do truly know. You can say it as many times as you like, doesn't make you right. You're no doctor, and the little link you posted about 30 pages ago said nothing to refute anything. As I said earlier, it only made mention that some researches believe it may help hand-eye coordination.

Maris09 wrote:The link to the article you posted doesn't say anything about vision. The only mention it even makes of eye-hand anything is this:
Other researchers have speculated that taking testosterone may stimulate fine motor skills that improve athletes’ hand-eye coordination or help athletes recover from exertion by increasing the amount of oxygen in their bloodstreams.



You can go on pretending like you've proved something. Have at it. I have my opinion and many in this thread share it. See you at the next pissing contest I guess. ;-D
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:32 am

Melky only scored 60 RBIs batting in the 3 hole?

What a disappointing season :-°

And 13 steals is positively amateurish
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby rjforlife » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:05 am

I think Maris just keeps the argument going so he can get into the top 20 for bases this season. Take away all bases for this thread!!!
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby bigh0rt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:57 am

Only 84 pages to go...

Here's a few things that my savior, Jonah Keri, had to say on the matter. Excerpts from his Grandland Article on Melky...

The notion that Cabrera could have a major impact on a pennant race would have seemed ludicrous as recently as two years ago. At that point in his career, Cabrera had reached double-digit home runs in a season just once. Hell, he'd slugged .400 or better just once. He was a popgun hitter who provided moderate value when his bloops and grounders would find holes, next to zero value when they didn't.

Then he went nuts. After signing with the Royals in December 2010, Cabrera enjoyed the best season of his career, hitting .305/.339/.470. He set career highs in batting average, slugging average, hits (201), doubles (44), and homers (18), as well as runs scored, runs batted in, stolen bases, and virtually any advanced stat you can imagine. Traded to the Giants last offseason for Jonathan Sanchez, Cabrera was a hit machine from day one, racking up 12 of 'em in his first seven games. In 113 games this season, he hit .346/.390/.516. He ranks second in the National League in batting average, first in hits (159), first in runs scored (84), and 11th in Wins Above Replacement (4.5)...

You'd expect a player that young (who's not Mike Trout) to struggle with such early major league exposure. You might also expect a performance spike when a player hits his mid-to-late 20s, like the one Cabrera had. The performance jump of the past two years might seem big, even accounting for typical aging curves. But it's also a bit of a leap to attribute all of his newfound success to PED use. Cabrera did hit for more pop in the past two seasons, but not in an extreme Brady Anderson way (.164 and .170 Isolated Power in 2011 and 2012, compared to .130 for his career). He did hit a few more line drives, but the uptick was fairly small (20.3 percent and 21.8 percent line-drive rates in 2011 and 2012, vs. 19.7 for his career)...

Cabrera owed a huge chunk of his newfound success to massive jumps in his batting average on balls in play: .288 in 2009 and 2010, then .332 in 2011, and a sky-high .379 in 2012 (fifth-highest in the majors). It's possible that Cabrera leveraged newfound bat speed into harder-hit balls and thus more hits, in a way that eyeballing line-drive rate wouldn't fully convey. But it's also possible that Cabrera's big breakout has more to do with organic improvement as a hitter and random variance on balls in play than any nefarious PED-generated benefits... there's evidence to suggest that certain substances can enhance physical traits, which might figure to improve athletic performance...

All of which is to say, if a player violates the rules of baseball the way Cabrera did, he's due for a suspension. But stating with authority that player X improved Y percent because he took substance Z is just spending too long on the Jump to Conclusions mat... The rest can be debated by the legions of MDs with intimate knowledge of Melky Cabrera's anatomy who've magically sprung up overnight.
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