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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby GiantsFan14 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:36 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:
I thought that the red sox bought their title?


They bought the steroids, so both are technically true.

Do you KNOW they bought their steroids? A bit presumptuous when its not the Giants aren't we? If I'm a ballplayer I'm only doing free steroids. And they need to be tested on animals first to make sure they're safe.


there's no evidence either way, so the red sox definitely bought them.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:54 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:.305/.350/.470 is approximately what his line would be if his BABIP was normalized. I believe that the difference between that line and the line he put up (.346/.390/.516) is almost entirely a product of luck.

You can "believe" whatever you want. I don't believe it's entirely a product of luck. There, we settled a lot. Good talk.


garf112 wrote:Started taking "steroids" in 2010 offseason. 2011 was "steroid" driven. 2012 was "steroid" and luck driven. /thread

Yes! That sounds good to me.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:56 pm

bigken117 wrote:I'm going to go play Arkham City for a bit. When I come back I'm probably going to lock this because I've been drinking. This is your last chance to prove facts about steroids by posting opinions.

Ha.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:03 am

Maris09 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:almost entirely a product of luck.

it's entirely a product of luck.


I never said it was entirely a product of luck. Just that luck seems to have had a much larger influence and just automatically attributing his season to steroids is short-sighted.

There, we settled a lot. Good talk.


Difference is I have evidence backing me up, and you do not.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:11 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:I never said it was entirely a product of luck. Just that luck seems to have had a much larger influence and just automatically attributing his season to steroids is short-sighted.

Key word, seems. You don't know. You flat, out, don't know. And neither do I. We all have our opinions.


GiantsFan14 wrote:Difference is I have evidence backing me up, and you do not.

Well....you think you have evidence. I don't think anyone here knows what steroids 100% truly do for baseball players, so I don't really think you're "evidence" holds much weight at all. But again, I will say what I have been, agree to disagree. We're not going to change eachothers minds no matter how much you "think" you're proving things, so let's just drop it man. Seriously.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:20 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:I never said it was entirely a product of luck.


GiantsFan14 wrote:I believe that the difference between that line and the line he put up (.346/.390/.516) is almost entirely a product of luck.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:28 am

Maris09 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:I never said it was entirely a product of luck. Just that luck seems to have had a much larger influence and just automatically attributing his season to steroids is short-sighted.

Key word, seems. You don't know. You flat, out, don't know. And neither do I. We all have our opinions.


GiantsFan14 wrote:Difference is I have evidence backing me up, and you do not.

Well....you think you have evidence. I don't think anyone here knows what steroids truly do, so I don't really think you're "evidence" holds much weight at all. But again, I will say what I have been, agree to disagree.


Seeing as how my evidence refutes pretty much every possible way steroids are thought to impact a player and you can't seem to come up with any other ideas how they could, I'd say it's not a matter of opinion at all. You can know something is much more likely than something else without knowing for certain, pretty much every scientific theory relies on that.

Ignoring evidence because it doesn't give you the answer you want to hear is just ridiculous. It's you holding an extreme bias and refusing to listen to any logical argument against it despite having no logical argument for it.
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:29 am

Maris09 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:I never said it was entirely a product of luck.


GiantsFan14 wrote:I believe that the difference between that line and the line he put up (.346/.390/.516) is almost entirely a product of luck.


al·most   [awl-mohst, awl-mohst]
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very nearly; all but
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby Maris09 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:32 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:Seeing as how you think your evidence refutes pretty much every possible way steroids are thought to impact a player

Fixed it for you.

You're totally right man! You've been able to do what no one in the world has! You've successfully disproved every possible way steroids are thought to impact a player. You've done it! When are they going to pay you to write all this ingenious stuff up and publish it?!?!?!

GiantsFan14 wrote:al·most   [awl-mohst, awl-mohst]
adverb
very nearly; all but

Wow, you're a piece of work. It's obvious what you mean. It's obvious what you've been saying the entire thread.
If I just give you the last word, will you finally shut up and just go help the Giants find a new LF?
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Re: Melky Cabrera. 50 game ban for Testosterone

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:34 am

Maris09 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
Maris09 wrote:


al·most   [awl-mohst, awl-mohst]
adverb
very nearly; all but

Wow, you're a piece of work. It's obvious what you mean. It's obvious what you've been saying the entire thread.
If I just give you the last word, will you finally shut up and just go help the Giants find a new LF?


You twist my words and I'm the piece of work? Sure bud.
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