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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:40 pm

All underrated for 2013
Peavy
Vogelsong
Burnett
Kuroda
Capuano
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby GiantsFan14 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:All underrated for 2013
Peavy
Vogelsong
Burnett
Kuroda
Capuano


absolutely loving burnett right now.
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby rjforlife » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:33 pm

lastingsgriller wrote:Stephen Strasburg -

166 ks / 133.1 innings = 1.247 k/inning x 215 innings = 268 Ks (Verlander did that once in a 240 inning season)

that to go along with his career 1.06 whip just screams of outrageous upside. I mean, if he ever builds the arm strength to go 240 innings you're talking about crazy Randy Johnson 300 k stuff. I think he's just on another level than any current pitcher.



You can't translate that K/IP to that many innings because in order to throw 240 innings, you have to possess excellent control and not always hunt for Ks. One reason Strasburg has such a great K/IP is because he is trying to strike every guy out because he knows he's only going to throw 6 innings and 90-100 pitches so he may as well get the most out of it. I don't blame him, but if he throws 240 innings, I am of the belief that the K/IP is going to have to go down a fair amount. Strasburg is amazing and could one day become the best, but he isn't the best yet, and until he proves it, I'm sticking with Verlander.
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Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby lastingsgriller » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:00 am

rjforlife wrote:
lastingsgriller wrote:Stephen Strasburg -

166 ks / 133.1 innings = 1.247 k/inning x 215 innings = 268 Ks (Verlander did that once in a 240 inning season)

that to go along with his career 1.06 whip just screams of outrageous upside. I mean, if he ever builds the arm strength to go 240 innings you're talking about crazy Randy Johnson 300 k stuff. I think he's just on another level than any current pitcher.



You can't translate that K/IP to that many innings because in order to throw 240 innings, you have to possess excellent control and not always hunt for Ks. One reason Strasburg has such a great K/IP is because he is trying to strike every guy out because he knows he's only going to throw 6 innings and 90-100 pitches so he may as well get the most out of it. I don't blame him, but if he throws 240 innings, I am of the belief that the K/IP is going to have to go down a fair amount. Strasburg is amazing and could one day become the best, but he isn't the best yet, and until he proves it, I'm sticking with Verlander.


Right, but I just pulled the 268 k from a 215 inning season. I see no reason why he wouldn't bump up to that number next year with no changes at all.

I only mention the 300k/240 inning season because it is in the realm of possibility for strasburg. That is not even remotely possible for any other pitcher in baseball.
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby Frenchiegangsta9 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:27 am

If Scherzer's april and may werent so bad, dont you think it would be possible for him?
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:31 am

Frenchiegangsta9 wrote:If Scherzer's april and may werent so bad, dont you think it would be possible for him?
He's certainly capable. But he's going to have to prove it before anybody places him there in a pre-season ranking. This has been the general consensus on Scherzer for several seasons now. He's yet to put it together fully.
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby NikkiSixx » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:28 am

Mookie4ever wrote:All underrated for 2013
Peavy
Vogelsong
Burnett
Kuroda
Capuano


I'm also interested to see where Paul Maholm gets ranked. he is on a very impressive stretch right now.
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby rjforlife » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:05 pm

NikkiSixx wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:All underrated for 2013
Peavy
Vogelsong
Burnett
Kuroda
Capuano


I'm also interested to see where Paul Maholm gets ranked. he is on a very impressive stretch right now.



He won't get ranked high because he has a history of being mediocre or worse over a 1300 IP career. I don't think his last 70 innings is enough to sway my opinion of him, as impressive as they have been.
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby kab21 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:39 am

J35J wrote:There may only be a couple people with better stuff than Moore...the complete loss of command had me confused this year but if he can reign that in, he'll be dominant.


Moore had problems with BB's early on and the scouting reports backed it up. it's possible that he just completely dominated AA/AAA hitters so it appeared that those BB problems were gone. Just another reason that it's risky to take young players early even if their MiLB stats project as a star.

I'll take Cliff Lee as my number 1 and be happy about it. He could easily be 11-6 with a 3.00 ERA right now.
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Re: Top 20 SP for 2013

Postby thatguy27 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:09 pm

kab21 wrote:
J35J wrote:There may only be a couple people with better stuff than Moore...the complete loss of command had me confused this year but if he can reign that in, he'll be dominant.


Moore had problems with BB's early on and the scouting reports backed it up. it's possible that he just completely dominated AA/AAA hitters so it appeared that those BB problems were gone. Just another reason that it's risky to take young players early even if their MiLB stats project as a star.

I'll take Cliff Lee as my number 1 and be happy about it. He could easily be 11-6 with a 3.00 ERA right now.


Agreed. Lee will likely be super under-rated going into next season. Suffice it to say, I'll be targeting him on all of my teams. I do wonder, though, is anyone worried about all the HR's he's been giving up? If you buy into xFIP, it's an anomaly that will correct itself, but it has me just a tad concerned...
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