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Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby troutfan87 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:08 pm

So someone just picked up Profar in my league. I obviously waited too long to pull the trigger on him. Who is the next best SS prospect? I'm looking for offensive production and chance at staying at SS.

Manny Machado
Francisco Lindor
Xander Bogaerts
Billy Hamilton

Anyone else deserve to be in this list?

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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby PlayingWithFire » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:22 pm

Take Machado, the other 3 are not close to Machado's level.
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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby troutfan87 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:26 pm

Machado hasn't really shown a whole lot in the minors, however. Is the best he's going to be a .270 hitter?
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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby WaCougMBS » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:53 pm

Machado tops the list, though there are certainly rumblings he's more of a 3B long-term from what I've heard.

I think Lindor is the next guy on the list, though even a year of Hamilton at SS would be money and he's closer to the bigs as far as I know. Both of them are way ahead of Bogaerts offensively speaking.
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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby PlayingWithFire » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:10 pm

troutfan87 wrote:Machado hasn't really shown a whole lot in the minors, however. Is the best he's going to be a .270 hitter?


.270 hitters is fine if he plays SS and has secondary skills. It's not like any of the other 3 are great contact hitters(still not convinced on Billy being a .300 hitter in the majors). Machado has the best power ceiling(can be argued with Bogeart but Xander is so far away he's pretty much just a dream now) out of the group and the 2nd most likely(after Lindor) to stay at the position. Recent scouting report was very positive about his defense there.

I don't think it's particularly close but if others disagree I'd like to hear their arguments.

Full disclosure: I do own Billy Hamilton in a league and Lindor in another.

Edit: I'd go as far as to say that I prefer Machado's bat over Profar long term due to scout projection. Profar is still clearly the better prospect due to his excellent defense, but defense don't net you points in fantasy.
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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby Manfred » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:55 pm

WaCougMBS wrote:Machado tops the list, though there are certainly rumblings he's more of a 3B long-term from what I've heard.

I think Lindor is the next guy on the list, though even a year of Hamilton at SS would be money and he's closer to the bigs as far as I know. Both of them are way ahead of Bogaerts offensively speaking.



I'm going to disagree with the others. I'd put Bogaerts #2 based on offensive upside (He's obviously a little further away than the others). I actually think his offensive upside is equal to that of Machado. Bogaerts probably wont stick at ss, but he could get a few years there, especially with Middlebrooks manning 3B.

I'd also put Javier Baez on this list and probably have him ahead of hamilton and lindor based on upside...on par with Machado and Bogaerts.
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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby kab21 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:17 am

a) this thread should be called best SS after Machado. Profar is the clear #1 and Machado is the clear #2. Some apparently only look at stats superficially and don't take things like age and scouting reports into account. A (just turned) 20 yr old SS in AA with a .784 OPS is outstanding. Combine that with excellent K and BB rates with good power and it is actually amazing.

As for the rest - they are actually all pretty close imo. Each has his own shortcomings which spread the gap between Profar/Machado and these 4.

Bogaerts - best bat but he'll be a 3Bman although he could qualify there for a season or two - I don't understand why some think he's so far away. He's in AA now...
Baez - very encouraging start
Hamilton - if you love SB's you could rate him higher because he is ridiculous but I still don't love his other baseball skills. It's encouraging to see all of the walks this year though.
Lindor - don't know much about him but he's making contact, walking and stealing bases.
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Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby troutfan87 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:32 am

I really like Bogaerts. Thinking a mid to late 2013 call up - pending he doesn't go into a slump?
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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby kab21 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:29 am

troutfan87 wrote:I really like Bogaerts. Thinking a mid to late 2013 call up - pending he doesn't go into a slump?


I think his callup will be dictated by what happens at SS/3B for the Sox next year. If there is playing time he'll be up although I'm a little concerned about his plate discipline. The K's aren't bad this year but I'm concerned about when he starts seeing good breaking balls from every pitcher. His plate discipline is way ahead of Middlebrooks though and he could be a big disappointment next season forcing the Sox to call up Bogaerts next year.
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Re: Best SS AFTER Profar

Postby aardvarks » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:18 pm

surprised there's no mention of Andrelton Simmons. a little like Erik Aybar with a higher average

I expect 350/410/760

with a 300 average 5 to 10 homers 15-25 sb's.

I wouldn't put him 1st on the list but maybe 3rd after Machado and Bogaerts.
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