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Postby mngopher » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:25 pm

First the basics: I am in a 12 team keeper league. Roto scoring, standard 5x5. Draft auction. As of right now the league rules are that you can keep 9 players and that their price will increase $5 from the price that was paid this year. We just started the league this year. I am currently in 2nd place in our league. The team I am trading with is in 7th I think and planning for next year now. For the auction we are allowed to spend $260.


Next to the players name is this years price-
The current trade offer-
I give up
Bryce Harper $4
Daniel Murphy $4
Everth Cabrera $1
Gio González $6

I get
CC Sabathia $22
Adrián González $48
Jimmy Rollins $22
Brandon McCarthy $1 (could swap in Tommy Hanson if I wanted instead).
David Ortiz $3
Carlos Beltran $4

Obviously this trade helps me a lot this year that is not really the question. I am wondering more for the future, if I am foolish to trade away both Bryce Harper and Gio Gonzalez.
However if I can win this year and get the prize maybe worth trading away more of my future...

My complete Roster-
C Wilin Rosario, Col, C
1B Freddie Freeman, Atl 1B
2B Brandon Phillips, Cin 2B
3B David Wright, NYM 3B
SS Trevor Plouffe, Min SS, 3B, OF
OF Matt Holliday, StL OF
OF Bryce Harper, Wsh OF
OF Michael Bourn, Atl OF
Util Daniel Murphy, NYM 2B, 1B, 3B
Bench Andre Ethier, LAD OF
Bench Omar Infante, Mia, 2B
Bench Carlos Quentin, SD OF
DL Carl Crawford*, Bos OF DL15
PITCHERS
SLOT PLAYER, TEAM POS
SP Gio Gonzalez, Wsh SP
SP Matt Moore, TB SP
SP James McDonald, Pit, SP
SP Colby Lewis, Tex SP
SP Johan Santana, NYM SP
SP Chris Capuano, LAD SP
RP Joel Hanrahan, Pit RP
RP Ryan Cook, Oak RP
Bench Mark Buehrle, Mia SP
DL Ted Lilly*, LAD SP DL15
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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby elsanteny » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:07 am

Thanks for the reply.....Personally i am of the school "if you can win it this year, do what you gotta do to get it done". and no I dont think it's crazy to trade away Gio and Harper. Pitcher arms are fickle and Harper won't start really producing for another couple years, not enough to warrant holding on to him at the expense of a championship anyway.
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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby beisbol4ever94928 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:13 am

mngopher wrote:First the basics: I am in a 12 team keeper league. Roto scoring, standard 5x5. Draft auction. As of right now the league rules are that you can keep 9 players and that their price will increase $5 from the price that was paid this year. We just started the league this year. I am currently in 2nd place in our league. The team I am trading with is in 7th I think and planning for next year now. For the auction we are allowed to spend $260.


Next to the players name is this years price-
The current trade offer-
I give up
Bryce Harper $4
Daniel Murphy $4
Everth Cabrera $1
Gio González $6

I get
CC Sabathia $22
Adrián González $48
Jimmy Rollins $22
Brandon McCarthy $1 (could swap in Tommy Hanson if I wanted instead).
David Ortiz $3
Carlos Beltran $4

Obviously this trade helps me a lot this year that is not really the question. I am wondering more for the future, if I am foolish to trade away both Bryce Harper and Gio Gonzalez.
However if I can win this year and get the prize maybe worth trading away more of my future...

My complete Roster-
C Wilin Rosario, Col, C
1B Freddie Freeman, Atl 1B
2B Brandon Phillips, Cin 2B
3B David Wright, NYM 3B
SS Trevor Plouffe, Min SS, 3B, OF
OF Matt Holliday, StL OF
OF Bryce Harper, Wsh OF
OF Michael Bourn, Atl OF
Util Daniel Murphy, NYM 2B, 1B, 3B
Bench Andre Ethier, LAD OF
Bench Omar Infante, Mia, 2B

Bench Carlos Quentin, SD OF
DL Carl Crawford*, Bos OF DL15
PITCHERS
SLOT PLAYER, TEAM POS
SP Gio Gonzalez, Wsh SP
SP Matt Moore, TB SP
SP James McDonald, Pit, SP
SP Colby Lewis, Tex SP
SP Johan Santana, NYM SP
SP Chris Capuano, LAD SP
RP Joel Hanrahan, Pit RP
RP Ryan Cook, Oak RP
Bench Mark Buehrle, Mia SP
DL Ted Lilly*, LAD SP DL15


I am one that believes if you can win it all, go for it. Trophies last forever. You are getting a really good retuirn in this trade I would jump on it.

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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby MadDog36 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:16 am

CC Sabathia $22
Adrián González $48
Jimmy Rollins $22
Brandon McCarthy $1 (could swap in Tommy Hanson if I wanted instead).
David Ortiz $3
Carlos Beltran $4

Out of these the good deals are Ortiz and Beltran. Sabathia is a solid value considering he's a horse ace. AGoz is way too expensive at 48 for his production. Rollins is also overpriced. McCarthy and Hanson whatever...Hanson if cheap would be a great keeper. But both Ortiz and Beltran are getting up there in years as well.

I think you are taking on too much salary and will seriously rebuild for next year not having a lot of good cheap young talent.

Murphy and Everth are just whatever types anyway but Gio and Harper for those prices is just silly.

I see no reason to do this despite you being a clear winner of the deal THIS year.
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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby TruYankeeFan » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:16 am

I agree with MadDog....while I understand wanting to win this year...you are def taking way too much salary back for sending both those guys with such low pricing.

I would try to rework it so it is not guaranteed to cost you a huge part of your future.

Thanks for the help on mine.
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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby Rally Cat » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:27 am

I also agree. I wouldn't do this deal. AGon isn't worth half that 48 and Rollins at 22 is also too much. I think I roll with your guys unless he comes back looking to sweenten the offer. Its not that far off so don't insult him with the rejection. Play it cool and let him try to work for a better deal. Good luck.
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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby mngopher » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:38 pm

I likely would not be keeping Adrian Gonzalez or Jimmy Rollins after this year. So would not be tied into that money for next year.

Thanks for the advice so far. If anyone is curious here is the complete roster of the team I am talking about trading with:
Glad to have any advice on who I should ask for. I have tried to get Kipnis but he has been real resistant to trading him.

C Miguel Montero, Ari C
1B Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 1B, OF
2B Jason Kipnis, Cle 2B
3B Pablo Sandoval, SF 3B
SS Jimmy Rollins, Phi SS
OF Alex Gordon, KC OF
OF Shane Victorino, Phi OF
OF Carlos Beltran, StL OF
UTIL David Ortiz, Bos DH
Bench Eric Hosmer, KC 1B
Bench Carlos Ruiz, Phi C
Bench Lucas Duda, NYM 1B, OF
DL Lance Berkman*, StL 1B, OF

SP Tommy Hanson, Atl SP
SP Jeff Samardzija, ChC RP, SP
SP Jonathon Niese, NYM SP
SP Charlie Furbush, Sea SP, RP
SP Franklin Morales, Bos RP, SP
SP Madison Bumgarner, SF SP
RP Alfredo Aceves, Bos RP
RP Ernesto Frieri, LAA RP
RP Heath Bell, Mia RP
Bench CC Sabathia*, NYY SP DL15
Bench Brandon McCarthy*, Oak SP DL15
DL Roy Halladay*, Phi SP DL15
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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby mngopher » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:43 pm

Also forgot to add we have a 5 player farm team, that is kept off site.

Mine:
ANTHONY GOSE
BUBBA STARLING
MIKE MONTGOMERY
MASON WILLIAMS
TRAVIS D'ARNAUD

Team I trying to trade with:
ARCHIE BRADLEY
DYLAN BUNDY
GARY BROWN
JAMES PAXTON
JURICKSON PROFAR
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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby joeyg2323 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:03 pm

harper 2013-$9 2014-$14 2015- $19 2016-$24 2017-$29 2018-$34

i am all about going for the win now but looking at those prices for harper over the next 6 years you will be paying a lot less then people are for cano, kemp, braun, miggy and other MVP players. if you are willing to let that go then do it but just remember youll most likely never get harper back.


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Re: Trade Harper & Gio Gonzalez, keeper leaguge

Postby MadDog36 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:09 am

I'd get Kipnis/Hosmer etc types for Harper if you have to deal him.
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