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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby machine3 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:03 pm

Maris09 wrote:Not sure how long Beltre is signed for but I kind of figured Kinsler might slide over to 3B for Texas as his career went on. His bat can definitely carry that position.

What about Mike Olt?
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It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby lastingsgriller » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:31 am

Andrus playing 3rd (well) tonight was interesting.

How is the money on beltre's contract? Is he a valuable trade piece?
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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby fade2red » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:29 am

What's the status of Garza? I just traded for him and see the Yankees are interested. That would be huge.. ;-D
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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby AussieDodger » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:02 am

fade2red wrote:What's the status of Garza? I just traded for him and see the Yankees are interested. That would be huge.. ;-D


I own Garza, and would hate that.
He's struggled a bit against LHB this year (10 HRs conceded against them in half a season, also .210 ISO), being traded to the Yankees would mean he'd make half his starts at "LHB Heaven" Yankee Stadium.
I'd prefer if he went to an NL West team or a team with a stellar pitching coach.
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It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby lastingsgriller » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:13 am

Buster olney is tweeting about how it would be a great fit for both teams if the rangers send mike olt for Justin upton. That would make the rangers crazy-good.
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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:06 am

AussieDodger wrote:
fade2red wrote:What's the status of Garza? I just traded for him and see the Yankees are interested. That would be huge.. ;-D


I own Garza, and would hate that.
He's struggled a bit against LHB this year (10 HRs conceded against them in half a season, also .210 ISO), being traded to the Yankees would mean he'd make half his starts at "LHB Heaven" Yankee Stadium.
I'd prefer if he went to an NL West team or a team with a stellar pitching coach.
As a Garza owner, this, this, 1,000x this. I don't want him near the AL East. Keep him in the NL.

lastingsgriller wrote:Andrus playing 3rd (well) tonight was interesting.

How is the money on beltre's contract? Is he a valuable trade piece?
2013: $16 million
2014: $17 million
2015: $18 million
2016: $16 million, voidable if Beltre doesn't combine for 1,200 PA over '14-'15 together, or 600 in '15 alone.

Seems like a perfect candidate to head back to Boston with their 3B troubles :-b
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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby Padsin05 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:09 pm

I think the solution is pretty simple. Kinsler becomes the new Michael Young.
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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby bayside » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:47 pm

Padsin05 wrote:I think the solution is pretty simple. Kinsler becomes the new Michael Young.

but Kinsler is way more valuable as a 2B than Young ever was at any position.
At least based on WAR, Kinsler has already had 3 seasons that were better than Young's very best.
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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby Skin Blues » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:55 pm

Edwin re-signed for 3 more years at $27M. 4th year team option for $10M. Looks like he won't be on the market.

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Re: It's July (Trade deadline thread)

Postby TopChuckie » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:36 pm

Last I heard the Phils and Hamels are still trying to work out a deal. Due to injuries and the hole they've dug, the Phillies are pretty much done for this year, but with their pitching staff, and presumably Howard and Utley back for the start of the year next year, albeit most likely a diminished version of each, I think the Phillies can still be the force next year that everyone expected them to be this year.

So with that being said, if I were the Phillies and Hamels and we did work out say a 5 year deal I would hold off on executing it with a "gentlemen's" agreement. I would still trade Hamels for a few top prospects, probably not the 4 or 5 they are looking for, but maybe 3, and then Hamels can play out the year for a contender and then resign with his original franchise which is now 3 or 4 prospects stronger for the future.

It's a bit unethical, but not illegal as the Phillies have the right to negotiate with Hamels right now, and it's certainly win-win. Hamels gets to still play the vast majority of his career for one team and gets the contract he wants, but also gets to compete for a championship this year. The Phillies get to keep their rotation intact but still get to replenish their terribly depleted farm system.

I'm actually a little surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen more often. Yeah the Phillies are taking most of the risk, but if they truly believe Hamels wants to play in Philly, and they trade him to Texas and the AL, and not to the Dodgers and his preferred West Coast, they probably don't have to worry about losing him to another team, and even if they do, they get the same thing as if they didn't work out a contract and just had to trade him for the prospects.
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