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Veto? Verlander, M Montero D4,6 for B Myers, C Ruiz D1,3? WH

Postby exm » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:44 pm

I am co-com in a 20 player H2H keeper league (keep 9), first year. There has been a few good trades and some borderline (no vetoes yet), but this trade is really veto worthy unless you think differently

Player A gives
Miguel Montero
Justin Verlander
2013 Draft Picks
* Round 4
* Round 6

Player B gives
Carlos Ruiz
Brett Myers
2013 Draft Picks
* Round 1
* Round 3

So we're talking about the best pitcher in baseball, a top 5 catcher for a so-so closer, a good catcher AND a round 1 and 3 draft picks! You see, the draft picks makes it look fishy... Thoughts? WHIR.
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Re: Veto? Verlander, M Montero D4,6 for B Myers, C Ruiz D1,3

Postby exm » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:15 am

Interesting feedback and thanks for the 'move'. Note that we are keeping 9 keepers, so a round 1 pick will need you a 10th rounder in a normal league... Does that make any difference?
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Re: Veto? Verlander, M Montero D4,6 for B Myers, C Ruiz D1,3

Postby dannahann » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:56 am

It's often easier to objectively look at these things from the outside and I don't see a veto here. The team who 'lost' this trade currently looks like he improved on 3 of the 4 commodities swapped. That both picks received are better than those he traded can't be refuted, looking right now he won big on the C swap too. Interesting how you presented that commodity swap too BTW, glossing Montero a top 5 C and somewhat dissing Ruiz as 'a good catcher'. Right now, 5x5, Montero is C#7 and Ruiz is #1, miles ahead in 4 cats, barely ahead in RBI. While I don't personally agree that Ruiz is the top C going forward, you have to realize that the guy trading for him probably sees him a big upgrade on Montero. He has 1/2 season of data supporting this and could see an even bigger 2nd half with Utley back and Howard starting his rehab. The area he likely veiws as losing, like most of us is the pitching. Then again his roster and how he's been doing each week might make saves to him (at least in his thinking) more valuable than the stats Verly tallies. Again here you state Verly is the 'top pitcher in baseball (that can certainly be debated)' as if trying to convince us to your side. As co-commish try to look objectively and from the outside. The way you described some of the dynamics lends me to believe you haven't. I agree, It's a poor deal in a vacuum, Verly should get more, but there could be reasons that are valid to the 'losing owner' that lead him to believe he won the trade.
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Re: Veto? Verlander, M Montero D4,6 for B Myers, C Ruiz D1,3

Postby silverZ » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:58 am

Player A is retarded for not at least getting a better closer for Verlander, on top of the picks. Veto though? :-? It's hard to say without knowing how valuable the picks are. Borderline for sure. I would let it go through, but I would make sure to let player A know how utterly stupid he is for not getting more for Verlander.
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