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Fair Offer? WHIR

Postby baegames » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:06 pm

So I made an offer which I thought was fair, and I got a bogus one back (in my opinion). Am I crazy? How do I respond (besides rejecting it)?

Note (in response to the first response): Not a keeper league.

My offer
I give: Dustin Pedroia and Ernesto Frieri
I get: Alex Gordon and Matt Cain

If that was not fair, please let me know.

The response
I give: Josh Hamilton and Jason Kipnis
I get Alex Gordon and Kelly Johnson

Was this a response to an unfair offer I made?
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Re: Fair Offer? WHIR

Postby RyeWhiskey » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:12 pm

Your initial offer was fair. If this is a keeper league I might see how the other owner felt insulted as Gordon/Cain are better keepers than Pedroia/Frieri in most people's minds. The other manager might also be down on Frieri as he's currently giving up save-opps to Downs in certain situations.

The second offer is downright insulting and obviously made either as an insult in response to your initial offer or out of outright stupidity. I would reject it and respond with the following:
"I don't know how to interpret your counter-trade. Did you feel that my initial trade was unfair?"

No need to stomp on someone if they just didn't get it in the first place.
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Re: Fair Offer? WHIR

Postby JRM4833 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:54 pm

Your offer leaned in your favor IMO, but it was certainly reasonable and not insulting. His offer is absurd and he is not worth negotiating with unfortunately. If he has something you really want, then I could see going with AngryMonkey's route as well. Thanks for the help on mine.
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Re: Fair Offer? WHIR

Postby clarkdp2 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:03 pm

Your inital offer was in your favor but it was in no way insulting. As said before me he may have just not been very high in Frieri and porbaly invested more than he should have in Gordon and still values him higher than his actual worth.

I would just decline his trade offer and move on without countering

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Postby rdd121robroy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 pm

I agree with the others saying that the first deal slightly favored you but was not unfair. If I were team 2 I'd have likely not accepted it but would have viewed it as a good place to start negotiations. But based on the counter you received I'd say that owner was either offended or is just horrible to trade with. We've all dealt with one of those owners that just has no concept of what a fair trade is. In an instance like this I agree with those telling you to move on and find a reasonable owner to negotiate with.
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Re: Fair Offer? WHIR

Postby baegames » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:10 pm

I got a response. It was an unfair trade as Matt Cain is the #2 SP in baseball (behind R.A. Dickey) and Pedroia is hurt, so he must be a bum. Oh well.
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Re: Fair Offer? WHIR

Postby lyons595 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:11 pm

I'd say your offer was fair, but pretty heavily tilted your way. But if he needed a closer and/or 2B and had surplus SP, it would make things a lot more legit. IMO, all trade offers about need and want. I love streaming SP in my 12 team league, so I kinda under-value SP. I am much more likely to trade away a top-5 SP to get a top-15 bats, especially if its at a position of need or scarcity.
In your favor though, I never make my first offer my best offer. The other owner should have countered with a legit offer to see if you were interested in negotiating. His response was bogus.

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