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Kinsler for Haren?

Postby tommo » Wed May 30, 2012 1:11 am

12 Team H2H Points Redraft league. Is it worth giving up my Kinsler for Haren since I have Kelly Johnson on my bench, or should I be aiming higher? Thanks!

My Team:
C Montero, Miguel© ARI
1B Hosmer, Eric(1B) KC
2B Kinsler, Ian(2B) TEX
3B Lawrie, Brett(3B) TOR
SS Reyes, Jose(SS) MIA
OF Braun, Ryan(OF) MIL
OF Trout, Mike(OF) LAA
OF Upton, Justin(OF) ARI
U Butler, Billy(U) KC

Bench (OF) Craig, Allen(OF) STL
Bench © Ellis, AJ© LA
Bench (OF) Quentin, Carlos (OF) SD
Bench (2B) Johnson, Kelly (2B) TOR
Bench (OF) Cespedes, Yoenis(OF) OAK

SP Beachy, Brandon(SP) ATL
SP Garza, Matt(SP) CHC
SP Hudson, Tim(SP) ATL
SP Felipe, Paulino(RP,SP) KC
RP Axford, John(RP) MIL
SP Floyd, Gavin(SP) CHW
SP Hudson, Daniel(SP) ARI
SP Bumgarner, Madison(SP) SF


Scoring System
Batting Categories
1B - Singles 1 points
2B - Doubles 2 points
3B - Triples 3 points
BB - Walks (Batters) 0.5 points
CS - Caught Stealing -1 point
CYC - Hitting for the Cycle 10 points
HP - Hit by Pitch 0.5 points
HR - Home Runs 4 points
KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -0.5 points
R - Runs 1 point
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point
SB - Stolen Bases 1 point

Pitching Categories
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -0.5 points
BS - Blown Saves -4 points
CG - Complete Games 3 points
R - Earned Runs -1 point
HB - Hit Batsmen -0.5 points
INN - Innings 1.5 points
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
L - Losses -6 points
NH - No-Hitters 15 points
PG - Perfect Games 20 points
QS - Quality Starts 1 points
S - Saves 4 points
W - Wins 6 points
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Re: Kinsler for Haren?

Postby Jacksonvillezo » Wed May 30, 2012 1:25 am

I think you shoul get a better pitcher than Haren for Kinsler. Look for owners weak at 2nd base and shoot for a top 10-15 pitcher. Haren is starting to round into form, but I would shoot for someone like Cliff Lee or King Felix.
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Re: Kinsler for Haren?

Postby wazzeus » Wed May 30, 2012 1:40 am

Kinsler is far more valuable than Haren. Aim higher -- Kershaw or Verlander high. An elite second baseman is worth more than an elite pitcher, generally speaking.
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Re: Kinsler for Haren?

Postby sixer03fan » Wed May 30, 2012 10:26 am

Yes, aim higher and work your way down. Always a solid strategy when aiming for a certain position in a deal. I actually really like Haren, but you can do better. I'm thinking Cole Hamels? Good luck.

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Re: Kinsler for Haren?

Postby tommo » Wed May 30, 2012 11:07 am

Does changing the trade to Kinsler and Butler for Haren and Adrian Gonzalez change anything? Keep in mind this is a points league. Elite pitchers appear to be more valuable given the league's scoring system. Kelly Johnson would also be a solid replacement.
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Re: Kinsler for Haren?

Postby tommo » Wed May 30, 2012 5:20 pm

Just got offered Greinke from another owner. Does that change anything?
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Re: Kinsler for Haren?

Postby wazzeus » Wed May 30, 2012 7:32 pm

tommo wrote:Does changing the trade to Kinsler and Butler for Haren and Adrian Gonzalez change anything? Keep in mind this is a points league. Elite pitchers appear to be more valuable given the league's scoring system. Kelly Johnson would also be a solid replacement.


If anything, this makes it an even worse deal for you. Kinsler > Haren and Butler > A-Gone. Butler has turned a corner this season and all those doubles are finally translating into homers. A-Gone, meanwhile, has lost his power stroke, possibly because of chronic shoulder issues. Butler is and will continue to be more valuable.

Kelly Johnson is no Kinsler.

I'd rather have Greinke than Haren, but I still think Kinsler should bring more. Kins was one of only four 30-30 players last season, and the only infielder (Kinsler, Kemp, Ellsbury and Braun). It was also his second 30-30 year. He slumps at times, but he's roto/points gold over the long haul.
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Re: Kinsler for Haren?

Postby NikkiSixx » Wed May 30, 2012 7:48 pm

Haren seems to be on a streak right now, so it does seem like a great time to get him. However, I would prefer Kinsler in this deal.
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