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Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby Swept Away » Thu May 17, 2012 9:17 am

I was offered Dee Gordon for my Aramis Ramirez. I'm in a 5x5, auction roto league and although my team is rising, I am dead last in steals (thank you Ellsbury and Crawford). I have Youk coming off the DL soon, and I also have Hanley Ramirez and Mike Aviles, so I am not thin at 3B. Gordon worries me a bit but he can definitely steal bases. Would you give up ARam for him?

Here is my roster:

C Alex Avila, Det C Draft
C A.J. Ellis, LAD C Free Agency
1B Freddie Freeman, Atl 1B Draft
2B Omar Infante, Mia 2B Draft
3B Aramis Ramirez, Mil 3B Draft
SS Hanley Ramirez, Mia SS, 3B Draft
2B/SS Cliff Pennington, Oak SS Free Agency
1B/3B Adam Dunn, CWS 1B, DH Draft
OF Giancarlo Stanton, Mia OF Draft
OF Justin Upton, Ari OF Draft
OF Michael Brantley, Cle OF Free Agency
OF Allen Craig, StL OF Free Agency
OF Andres Torres, NYM OF Free Agency
UTIL Adam LaRoche, Wsh 1B Free Agency
P Brett Myers, Hou SP, RP Draft
P Tim Lincecum, SF SP Draft
P Yovani Gallardo, Mil SP Draft
P Wandy Rodriguez, Hou SP Draft
P Jaime Garcia, StL SP Draft
P Ryan Vogelsong, SF SP Free Agency
P Henry Rodriguez, Wsh RP Free Agency
P Lance Lynn, StL RP, SP Free Agency
P Scott Downs, LAA RP Free Agency
Bench Bud Norris, Hou SP Draft
Bench Jhonny Peralta, Det SS Draft
Bench Mike Aviles, Bos 2B, 3B, SS Free Agency
Bench Anthony Bass, SD RP, SP Free Agency
Bench Alfonso Soriano, ChC OF Free Agency
DL Jacoby Ellsbury*, Bos OF DL60 Draft
DL Kevin Youkilis*, Bos 3B DL15 Draft
DL Carl Crawford*, Bos OF DL60 Draft
DL Dallas Braden*, Oak SP DL60 Free Agency
DL Jorge De La Rosa*, Col SP DL15 Free Agency
DL Brett Anderson*, Oak SP DL60 Free Agency

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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby MashinSpuds » Thu May 17, 2012 9:59 am

It's a fair trade, but I'd be worried about the loss of pop in your lineup by moving Ramirez. Gordon looks to be a 1-2 category guy, which is useful especially if you're last in a statistic. However, Ramirez could get 3-4 statistics if his average picks up. It's a fair trade, but think less about the position and more about what dip in statistics you could incur. Make the move if you still think you're fine.
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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby NikkiSixx » Thu May 17, 2012 10:43 am

I would take Dee Gordon in this deal. But thats because I dont like A-Ram at all this season.
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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby Swept Away » Fri May 18, 2012 10:48 am

MashinSpuds wrote:It's a fair trade, but I'd be worried about the loss of pop in your lineup by moving Ramirez. Gordon looks to be a 1-2 category guy, which is useful especially if you're last in a statistic. However, Ramirez could get 3-4 statistics if his average picks up. It's a fair trade, but think less about the position and more about what dip in statistics you could incur. Make the move if you still think you're fine.


Yeah, that's why I'm worried. I do think he's overvaluing Gordon but it seems like steals are really overvalued in my league right now.
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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby MadDog36 » Fri May 18, 2012 1:03 pm

Guys like Gordon: Bonafacio I'd tkae him any day. You need the speed and you should do it.
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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby MoonCorps » Fri May 18, 2012 1:09 pm

I think it depends on how bad you need steals. Gordon will get you a lot more steals, but you would most likely be sacrificing runs, rbi's, home runs, and avg. So it just depends on what you need and what you're willing to sacrifice. I wouldn't do it unless I was desperate for stolen bases and dominating the others.

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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby michaelyoung4prez » Fri May 18, 2012 2:30 pm

I would say no and replace Pennington with Aviles on your roster. I have no idea what he has done this year but IMO if only want to own either weeks, reddick or cespedes from that lineup. Wheats available in the 3B and SS departments on waivers?
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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby mayor quimby » Fri May 18, 2012 4:42 pm

take this in a second. will get you nearly 100 runs with kemp in that lineup. I'd say if he gets his OBP up he'll get you 50+ steals on the year.

Aramis Ramirez is washed up IMO...

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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby Zhangman1 » Fri May 18, 2012 4:44 pm

if you need steals then do it. It's not a sure fire win for you but it can help your team

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Re: Aramis Ramirez for Dee Gordon? [WHIR]

Postby jovenparque » Fri May 18, 2012 4:49 pm

dee gordon sucks and is a strong candidate to be optioned. he could hit (not hit) his way out of the majors. or his defense might get him booted from the majors. or both.

this guy is so overrated. find steals without destroying your average. and there's an opportunity cost for starting gordon. and he might not even be in the majors in a month.

i say stay away.

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also, i think 3B has been pretty horrible this year even with wright and encarnacion tearing it up so far.
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