Looking to build a trade... Get creative! (WHIR)

[ccates21]

New to the site and man is this cool... Maybe you can help a newcomer. I need to drag my bunch of underachievers out of the cellar, and have another reasonable manager wanting to do the same. There's a potential blockbuster waiting to be made. (Being over 10 years running, most of the managers are too stingy or crooked to make big trades, so this could be a *big* deal.) Its Yahoo, 12 team, standard 5x5 Roto, and 25-man active rosters with 5 more for DL. Tenth round picks and later are 2-year keeper eligible, but let's cross that bridge if/when we come to it.

He proposed sending me:
Ryan Zimmerman
Michael Bourn
Jordan Zimmermann.

And in exchange I send him:
Micheal Young
Austin Jackson
Dan Haren

I haven't been able to bring myself to do it. Looking long-haul, the "balanced swap" of Ryan Zimmerman for Young seems like too much of a risk (injuries). Pitching-wise I'd be losing almost 50 K's by the end of the season, BUT the upside is that J-Zimm will be a 16th round keeper for one more year. The Bourne-Jackson part is where I sort of get a better deal. I think they'll be similar in AVG and Runs by the end of the year, so I'd be giving up a few extra HR and RBI for about 25-30 SB.

Any other ideas?

Facts:
-He is in need of MI help, and has a boner for Dan Haren.
-I could use a power boost, but I'm really hoping to get a guy like Bourn to pair up with Gordon and account for 90% of my steals.
-Ryan Howard should be a nice power addition in June, so I might be okay if I can almost break even in power categories.

So let's start with me sending him Haren and maybe Young, and go from there. Here are our rosters:

MY TEAM

C Jesus Montero
1B Prince Fielder
2B Robinson Cano
3B Michael Young
SS Dee Gordon
CI Ty Wigginton
MI Allen Craig
OF Austin Jackson
OF Vernon Wells
OF Matt Joyce
OF Matt Holliday
Util Jarrod Dyson
DL Nolan Reimold
DL Ryan Howard

SP Dan Haren
SP Doug Fister
SP David Price
RP Jonathan Papelbon
RP John Axford
P Henry Rodriguez
P Rafael Dolis
BN Jeff Samardzija
BN Ervin Santana
BN Derek Holland
BN Ricky Nolasco
BN Roy Oswalt
BN Heath Bell
DL Mariano Rivera

-----------------------------------

HIS TEAM

C AJ. Pierzynski
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Dustin Ackley
3B Ryan Zimmerman
SS Jed Lowrie
CI Bryan LaHair
MI Ian Desmond
OF Ryan Braun
OF Andrew McCutchen
OF Mike Trout
OF Michael Bourn
Util Aramis Ramirez
BN Jhonny Peralta
BN Brennan Boesch
DL Salvador Perez

SP C.J. Wilson
SP Jordan Zimmermann
SP Colby Lewis
RP Alfredo Aceves
RP Jason Motte
P Vinnie Pestano
P Grant Balfour
BN Bud Norris
BN Rick Porcello
BN Jon Lester
BN Ted Lilly
DL Drew Storen

Thanks guys. -Chad

[chinch sacs]

The original trade looks OK, but Id want just a bit more back for the group you are giving up.

maybe:
R. Zim
Bourn
Lester

for

Young
Jackson
Haren
E. Santana

sounds like you have some wiggle run, so Id try to get all I can.

help?
http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=446735

[ccates21]

I'm not sold on Lester having the year we're all accustomed to. I'm sure I could get Lester instead of J-Zimmermann without adding Santana to the mix.

He had once offered Lester, JZimm and Aramis Ramirez... For Haren and Cano (plus a throw-away player that has since been dropped). I couldn't bear trading my first round pick (Cano) for something that didn't blow me away.

Also J Zimmerman is keeper eligible, while Lester isn't.

Really trying to get any "outside the box" ideas that I'm not seeing, especially from "his team's" POV.

[pungent]

Try countering with CJ in the original deal. I honestly don't think he'll sweeten that deal anymore, but it's worth a try. Btw, I'm HUGE on Jordan Zimmermann, so if you can find a way to land him, do it.

So maybe you should make it a 4 - 4 trade.

[ccates21]

So he cancelled the original trade, but we negotiated him sending me CJ Wilson and Ryan Zimmerman for my Michael Young and Dan Haren.

I'm inclined to accept... Thoughts???

[Dagonus]

Thanks for the help on mine.

The new offer isn't bad. I'd go for it. I prefer Zimm to Young.

I'm not really a fan of any of his SPs, but if you were going to get any of them, I'd take Wilson. I'm with you on not trusting Lester.

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[ccates21]

Thanks. Although... CJ is the only keeper-eligible player in this deal, in the 16th round next season.