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Postby Y`s Guy » Wed May 09, 2012 6:33 pm

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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby Element » Wed May 09, 2012 6:40 pm

Moneyball is less about BA and more about OBA. It's not like it helps their cause though. They are ranked 29th in MLB with a 0.289 team OBA at the moment.
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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby Ender » Wed May 09, 2012 10:23 pm

Moneyball has absolutely nothing to do with OBP or AVG, it is about finding market inefficiencies and trying to exploit them. Front offices are about 10,000 times smarter than they were back then so it isn't as easy to pull off as in the past.
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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby SpecialFNK » Wed May 09, 2012 10:48 pm

I didn't read the book, but I saw the movie. one of the things that moneyball seemed to include was they didn't believe in stealing bases, or more so in even taking the chance at stealing a base. forget that now. not including tonight's games the A's are 2nd in baseball in SB with 28 behind Miami with 32.

moneyball seemed to be all or mostly about offensive numbers, but I think they key to the A's success in the past was all the good pitchers they had. Hudson, Mulder, Scully, wait wrong name.. Haren, Zito, ect.
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Postby garf112 » Wed May 09, 2012 11:22 pm

Ender wrote:Moneyball has absolutely nothing to do with OBP or AVG, it is about finding market inefficiencies and trying to exploit them. Front offices are about 10,000 times smarter than they were back then so it isn't as easy to pull off as in the past.


Ender is correct. I don't know how many times we have to go through this debate. It has been ten years and people still don't get it. I was just reading an article from September that bashed moneyball on fangraphs. Annoyed the crap out of me that seemingly smart people can miss the point by so much.
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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby garf112 » Wed May 09, 2012 11:24 pm

They didn't believe in stealing bases because with the amount of runs being scored, if you weren't successful more than 80% of the time, you were costing yourself runs. With pitching coming back, I'm sure stolen bases have become a bit more valuable. Again, see ender and my posts above regarding exploiting market inefficiencies.
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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby The_Natural » Wed May 09, 2012 11:25 pm

Just look at the Twins. No pitching equals the suck.
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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby GiantsFan14 » Wed May 09, 2012 11:28 pm

garf112 wrote:They didn't believe in stealing bases because with the amount of runs being scored, if you weren't successful more than 80% of the time, you were costing yourself runs. With pitching coming back, I'm sure stolen bases have become a bit more valuable. Again, see ender and my posts above regarding exploiting market inefficiencies.


This. Offense is down so much that stolen bases are more valuable thus lowering the necessary success rate to make attempting a steal worth it.
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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby bayside » Wed May 09, 2012 11:59 pm

Ender wrote:Moneyball has absolutely nothing to do with OBP or AVG, it is about finding market inefficiencies and trying to exploit them. Front offices are about 10,000 times smarter than they were back then so it isn't as easy to pull off as in the past.

to be fair, OBP was the market inefficiency that was most notoriously exploited by Beane.
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Re: Ummm, what happened to MoneyBall?

Postby benb18a » Thu May 10, 2012 2:31 am

lol, the Jays' lineup isn't much better, if any.
1B: Freeman 2B: Craig 3B: Beltre SS: Seager C: Lucroy OF: Granderson, Harper, BJ Up UT: Kipnis, Aoki
BN: Howard, Rizzo, Donaldson
DL: Tulo
Peavy Sale, Valverde, Axford, Greinke, Marcum, Estrada, Capuano, Hughes, Haren

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