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J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby duberino » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:19 pm

I was offered Jordan Zimmerman (SP) and Matt Holliday (OF) for Joey Votto (1B). This is the first year of our keeper league. Just looking for any tips, I'm leaning more towards not taking this trade, but I will include his roster as well, to see if a counter-offer is plausible. Thanks for any and all help!

My Team -
12 Team Keeper League
H2H scoring
Daily Lineup Adjustments
Batting cats: R, 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, SB, CS, BB, K, GIDP
Pitching cats: W, L, CG, SHO, SV, H, OUT, ER, HR, W, HBP, K

Lineup:
C JONATHON LUCROY
1B JOEY VOTTO
2B BEN ZOBRIST
3B BRETT LAWRIE
SS ASDRUBAL CABRERA
OF DESMOND JENNINGS
OF B.J. UPTON
OF MICHAEL BOURN
UTIL ADAM LIND
UTIL JHONNY PERALTA
BN MIKE MOUSTAKAS
BN COLBY RASMUS

PITCHING STAFF
SP ZACH GREINKE
SP JOHNNY CUETO
SP CC SABATHIA
SP CORY LUEBKE
RP SEAN MARSHALL
RP GRANT BALFOUR
P JIM JOHNSON
P FRANK FRANCISCO
BN CHAD BILLINGSLEY
BN BRANDON MORROW
BN JAKE PEAVY
DL ANDREW BAILEY


His:

C CHRIS IANNETTA
1B ALBERT PUJOLS
2B HOWIE KENDRICK
3B ARAMIS RAMIREZ
SS ELVIS ANDRUS
OF GIANCARLO STANTON
OF MATT HOLLIDAY
OF JAYSON WERTH
UTIL JIMMY ROLLINS
UTIL JESUS MONTERO
BN CARLOS GONZALEZ

SP JOSH COLLMENTER
SP JORDAN ZIMMERMAN
SP CJ WILSON
SP JHOULYS CHACIN
RP CARLOS MARMOL
RP JAVY GUERRA
P CLAYTON RICHARD
P BRANDON LEAGUE
BN TOMMY MILONE
BN JUAN NICASIO
BN JONATHAN SANCHEZ
BN HENDERSON ALVAREZ
DL RYAN DEMPSTER
DL CHRIS CARPENTER
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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby clarkw267 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:32 pm

I'd ask for CarGo instead. Wouldn't do the trade as offered
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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby duberino » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:39 pm

Ask for CarGo instead of Holliday? It's just so hard to give up my first round pick. And you know that Votto will put up MVP-type numbers this year. He's great in a keeper league. The real value is whether or not Zimmerman is going to turn out to be a star.
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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby clarkw267 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:41 pm

How many do you keep?

And yeah. Gonzalez over Holliday especially in a keeper.
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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby duberino » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:53 pm

We can keep up to 8 (5 position players, 3 pitchers), and whichever round the "kept" players were drafted in the previous year (say, 7th), that team's pick two rounds higher (the 5th, in this instance), will be used on the keeper player.
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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby osbtensor » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:52 am

I def like Gonzalez over Holliday.

But, as for the original trade.. Votto I would not give up if you can keep.

You drafted him 1st round right? Is he still a keeper next year 1st round? or non-keeper now?


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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby wazzeus » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:13 am

Wouldn't do it as is. Might not even do it if Cargo replaces Holliday, but it would at least be reasonable.
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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby jovenparque » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:32 am

what is "OUT" and did you list all the categories? there are 11 hitting and 12 pitching categories.

the other owner looks to be buying votto cheap and selling zimmermann high and offering a historically elite-ish player in Holliday to get you to bite. it doesn't look like the other owner is trying to move pujols. i would either stay put or try to flip the situation and buy pujols with one of your historically elite pitchers and sell high on another guy. put pujols in util. peralta should not be your util. but i don't think this guy is trading pujols. i don't think he's going to trade any elite hitter. his roster suggests that he's bent on stacking his lineup with more elite players on offensive and speculating on and streaming pitchers all season long. the guy is offering his best/second best SP to you. you don't need more pitching because your pitching looks fine. i think a trade with this guy might be difficult.
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Re: J. Zimmerman/M. Holliday for J. Votto

Postby duberino » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:51 pm

In response to osbtensor, yes, drafted him first round, he is a keeper.

Thanks joven! I must have added a cat there... Regardless, thanks to your suggestion, I've now made it my mission to go after Pujols. Being a keeper league, however, there's no way you'd trade votto for Pujols... Right?
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