K/BR question

[Izenhart]

Does anyone have access to the current stats list of the top 100 strikeout-per-baserunner pitching ratios that they can post?

And for anyone else how valuable of a stat do you feel it is when evaluating talent?

[Tavish]

Does anyone have access to the current stats list of the top 100 strikeout-per-baserunner pitching ratios that they can post?

And for anyone else how valuable of a stat do you feel it is when evaluating talent?

I would think you are adding in a ton of noise to the evaluation. I would stick with K:BB which is one of the best "simple" ratios you will find for evaluating a pitchers effectiveness.

[Skin Blues]

That's a salty question. (Kudos if anybody can figure that one out)

Anyway, you're essentially talking about (K/9)/(WHIPx9). Which seems like a lot of work to do for something that's not very useful. There's a big difference between a HR, a bloop single, and a walk. They should be treated differently. To evaluate talent I'd look at SIERA as the most basic and simple way to quantify how good a pitcher is and what you can expect his ERA to be. It stablizes very quickly and isn't really affected by luck elements such as LOB% or BABIP. I'd also look at K% and BB% (and K/BB). Pretty much all of your statistical needs can be satisfied by using the Leaders tab on Fangraphs.

[J35J]

Anyway, you're essentially talking about (K/9)/(WHIPx9).

See below for a quick list of the top guys here...yes, some are RP...I just grabbed the top K guys on the year so far and some RP made the list.

Pretty much all of your statistical needs can be satisfied by using the Leaders tab on Fangraphs.

This.

PLAYER			IP		SO		K/9		WHIP		ERA	
Aroldis Chapman		10.34		18		15.67		0.48		0.00		3.63
Kenley Jansen		11.67		19		14.65		0.86		3.09		1.89
Philip Humber		14.34		16		10.04		0.63		0.63		1.77
Marco Estrada		11.00		16		13.09		0.91		2.45		1.60
Matt Cain		30.34		26		7.71		0.63		2.37		1.36
Gio Gonzalez		23.67		27		10.27		0.85		1.52		1.34
Edwin Jackson		19.00		20		9.47		0.84		4.26		1.25
Jake Peavy		28.67		26		8.16		0.73		1.88		1.24
Justin Verlander		31.34		31		8.90		0.80		1.72		1.24
Ryan Dempster		20.34		23		10.18		0.93		1.33		1.22
Jered Weaver		29.67		28		8.49		0.78		2.43		1.21
Lance Lynn		19.00		17		8.05		0.74		1.42		1.21
Cliff Lee		23.00		18		7.04		0.70		1.96		1.12
Cole Hamels		26.34		30		10.25		1.03		2.73		1.11
Lance Lynn		27.00		24		8.00		0.81		1.33		1.10
Johan Santana		18.00		24		12.00		1.22		3.00		1.09
Stephen Strasburg		25.00		25		9.00		0.92		1.08		1.09
Ryan Vogelsong		13.34		15		10.12		1.05		3.38		1.07
Jeff Niemann		15.34		16		9.39		0.98		4.11		1.06
Felix Hernandez		29.34		31		9.51		1.02		2.76		1.04
Clayton Kershaw		22.34		22		8.86		1.03		1.61		0.96
Anibal Sanchez		19.34		19		8.84		1.03		2.79		0.95
Zack Greinke		23.67		28		10.65		1.27		4.56		0.93
Matt Garza		26.67		26		8.77		1.05		3.38		0.93
Chris Sale		26.00		26		9.00		1.08		3.12		0.93
Kyle Lohse		27.34		16		5.27		0.66		0.99		0.89
Carlos Zambrano		19.00		16		7.58		0.95		2.84		0.89
CC Sabathia		27.34		30		9.88		1.24		5.27		0.88
Vance Worley		25.00		27		9.72		1.24		2.16		0.87
Danny Duffy		17.34		20		10.38		1.33		3.63		0.87
Chad Billingsley		23.67		19		7.22		0.93		3.04		0.86
Anthony Bass		19.34		19		8.84		1.14		2.33		0.86
Colby Lewis		26.67		24		8.10		1.05		2.03		0.86
Jason Hammel		19.00		18		8.53		1.11		2.37		0.85
Shaun Marcum		19.00		17		8.05		1.05		3.79		0.85
Gavin Floyd		25.00		22		7.92		1.04		3.60		0.85
Jonathon Niese		18.67		17		8.19		1.13		2.89		0.81
Mike Minor		26.34		21		7.18		0.99		3.42		0.81
Tommy Hanson		24.00		23		8.63		1.21		3.38		0.79
Jake Arrieta		24.67		21		7.66		1.09		4.01		0.78
Shaun Marcum		24.00		24		9.00		1.33		4.13		0.75
C.J. Wilson		19.00		15		7.11		1.05		2.37		0.75
Ivan Nova		19.00		20		9.47		1.42		3.79		0.74
Bruce Chen		25.00		17		6.12		0.92		2.52		0.74
Jeff Samardzija		24.00		25		9.38		1.42		4.13		0.73
Adam Wainwright		19.67		21		9.61		1.47		7.32		0.73
Jason Vargas		31.34		23		6.60		1.02		3.45		0.72
Randall Delgado		15.67		17		9.76		1.53		5.74		0.71
Yovani Gallardo		24.67		24		8.76		1.38		3.65		0.70
Roy Halladay		30.00		19		5.70		0.90		1.50		0.70
Cory Luebke		25.00		20		7.20		1.16		2.52		0.69
J.A. Happ		23.00		24		9.39		1.52		4.70		0.69
Tim Lincecum		18.67		24		11.57		1.88		8.20		0.68
Aaron Harang		22.67		25		9.93		1.63		5.16		0.68
Derek Holland		26.34		21		7.18		1.18		4.78		0.68
Johnny Cueto		25.34		19		6.75		1.11		1.78		0.68
Dan Haren		24.34		23		8.50		1.40		4.07		0.67
Bartolo Colon		34.34		21		5.50		0.93		2.62		0.66
Edinson Volquez		23.00		22		8.61		1.48		4.30		0.65
Chris Capuano		23.00		20		7.83		1.35		3.52		0.64
Max Scherzer		19.67		23		10.52		1.83		8.24		0.64
Ricky Romero		27.34		18		5.93		1.06		3.29		0.62
J.A. Happ		18.00		16		8.00		1.44		4.00		0.62
Wandy Rodriguez		25.34		16		5.68		1.03		1.42		0.61
Ian Kennedy		25.67		22		7.71		1.40		3.86		0.61
Bud Norris		24.67		22		8.03		1.50		5.84		0.59
Dillon Gee		19.00		16		7.58		1.42		5.21		0.59
Yu Darvish		26.00		24		8.31		1.58		2.42		0.58
Carl Pavano		26.67		17		5.74		1.16		4.73		0.55
Josh Beckett		25.67		16		5.61		1.17		4.56		0.53
David Price		24.00		17		6.38		1.33		2.63		0.53
Josh Collmenter		18.34		16		7.85		1.64		9.82		0.53
R.A. Dickey		17.34		15		7.79		1.67		5.71		0.52
Erik Bedard		24.00		17		6.38		1.42		2.63		0.50
Hiroki Kuroda		24.67		17		6.20		1.46		4.38		0.47
Tommy Hunter		24.67		16		5.84		1.38		4.74		0.47
Josh Johnson		23.34		17		6.56		1.63		4.63		0.45
Ervin Santana		23.67		16		6.08		1.52		7.23		0.44
Jon Lester		24.00		16		6.00		1.50		6.00		0.44
Brandon McCarthy		32.00		18		5.06		1.47		3.38		0.38