Huge Dynasty Trade (Fielder, H Ramirez, etc) thoughts? WHIR!

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I have been offered the trade below. It started out by him needing saves, and me needing pitching help but he offered me also Hanley Ramirez shifting Eric Hosmer to my 1B and freeing up my UTIL also. What are your thoughts? Thanks and 100% WHIR

I get:
Hanley Ramirez
Alex Gordon
Shaun Marcum

I give:
Prince Fielder
Kendrys Morales
Brett Gardner DL
Fernando Rodney

14 Player H2H 5 Keepers Yahoo League (K = keepers below)

Batters
C Carlos Santana (Cle - C,1B)
1B Prince Fielder (Det - 1B) K
2B Howie Kendrick (LAA - 1B,2B,LF)
3B Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B) K
SS Jhonny Peralta (Det - SS)
LF M Holliday (STL - LF)
CF Brett Gardner (NYY - CF,LF)
RF Jose Bautista (TOR - 1B, RF) K
UTIL Eric Hosmer (KC - 1B) K
B Kendrys Morales (LAA - 1B,RF)
B Edwin Encarnación (Tor - 1B,3B)
B Denard Span (CWSr - CF)
B Yunel Escobar (Tor - SS)
B Omar Infante (MIA - 2B)
DL Grady Sizemore (CLE - CF)

Pitchers

SP Mat Latos (Cin - SP)
SP Tommy Hanson (Atl - SP)
SP Cliff Lee (Phi - SP) K
RP Joel Hanrahan (Pit - RP)
RP Hector Santiago (CWS - RP)
RP Fernando Rodney (TB - RP_
P Ubaldo Jiménez (Cle - SP)
P Bryan Shaw (Ari - RP)
P Jason Hammel (OAK - SP)
P Justin Masterson (CLE - SP)
BN Francisco Liriano (Min - SP)
BN Jarrod Parker (OAK - SP)
DL Brett Anderson (OAK - SP)
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, Util, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, RP, P, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs ®, Doubles (2B), Triples (3B), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Strikeouts (K), Batting Average (AVG), On-base Percentage (OBP)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Losses (L), Complete Games (CG), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Holds (HLD), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP), Quality Starts (QS)

[dominicfaiola]

Love Hosmer so I don't think it's too bad a drop. I like this deal for you.

You get a solid pitcher in Marcum and you buy low on Gordon. Ham-Ram slides right into your lineup and you've got a solid team. Take it.

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The one reservation I have is going forward you'd have two 3B keepers. I think Fielder puts up better numbers over the next 3-4 years than Hanley does so if one or the other is going to occupy my Util spot I'd prefer it be Fielder.

That said, IMO it's a slight downgrade in the future versus an upgrade for your current team for this year. I'd probably end up doing that deal, though I might email the guy with an "I don't know" line and discuss the fact that you'd end up with two 3B keepers and you think it does hurt you a bit long-term to see if he'd be willing to toss in a bit more value to make the deal get done. Maybe a slight upgrade at lower-tier pitchers, etc. Just a small little extra cherry on top. Again I'd do this with an email and feel him out instead of canceling/countering the trade. That way if he stands his ground and refuses to budge you could always "reluctantly" decide to accept the trade on the floor.


any thoughts on mine? http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=445147

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The one reservation I have is going forward you'd have two 3B keepers. I think Fielder puts up better numbers over the next 3-4 years than Hanley does so if one or the other is going to occupy my Util spot I'd prefer it be Fielder.

Thanks and I responded to your thread. I will either have two 1B Keepers (Hosmer, Fielder) or 2 3B Keepers (Zimmerman, Hanley). But who thinks Reyes will stay healthy all year anyway?

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Based on the replies and my own considerations, I have accepted the trade but now one or more managers want to veto it?

Even if you include the so called O-Ranks, I don't see how this trade is veto-worthy.

I get:
Hanley Ramirez O-Rank 21
Alex Gordon O-Rank 66
Shaun Marcum O-Rank 137

I give:
Prince Fielder O-Rank 14
Brett Gardner DL O-Rank 109
Kendrys Morales O-Rank 167
Fernando Rodney O-Rank 433

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The one reservation I have is going forward you'd have two 3B keepers. I think Fielder puts up better numbers over the next 3-4 years than Hanley does so if one or the other is going to occupy my Util spot I'd prefer it be Fielder.

Thanks and I responded to your thread. I will either have two 1B Keepers (Hosmer, Fielder) or 2 3B Keepers (Zimmerman, Hanley). But who thinks Reyes will stay healthy all year anyway?

Who says that Ramriez plays SS if Reyes is out hurt? Teams generally don't move their stars from position to position. That's where someone like Bonifacio becomes so valuable to the Marlins. Let's call Hanley for Fielder a wash. Looking at the rest of the deal I kind of prefer Gordon/Marcum to what you're giving up. Rodney is irrelevant, IMO. I prefer Gordon to Gardner, especially since the Yankees seem to not know how to use him. Marcum for Morales is fair.

It's a pretty even offer. I wouldn't fault you for picking either side. If you accept, you do get a little younger.