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Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby bcody » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:05 pm

I trade Cruz and get Cain. What's your thoughts? Can I lose the power from Cruz?

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Re: Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby kidsilk » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:10 pm

I think you can afford to lose Cruz's power for Cain. Cain is so good and would be a great addition to your rotation.
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Re: Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby hot4tx » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:17 pm

When were Cruz and Cain drafted? I don't think of Cain as a top-50 player (the non-elite ace SP) in most leagues but I think of Cruz as a top-50 player. Even though it might help balance out your team a bit, I try to never intentionally trade to lose overall value. Especially when talking top-50 players and especially in keeper leagues.

I wouldn't do it.
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Re: Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby bcody » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:21 pm

hot4tx wrote:When were Cruz and Cain drafted? I don't think of Cain as a top-50 player (the non-elite ace SP) in most leagues but I think of Cruz as a top-50 player. Even though it might help balance out your team a bit, I try to never intentionally trade to lose overall value. Especially when talking top-50 players and especially in keeper leagues.

I wouldn't do it.


It was an auction draft.. Keepers cost the amount they were drafted at. So in this case, Cain $16 and Cruz $14.
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Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby lastingsgriller » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:46 pm

Cain was drafted 1 pick after Cruz in my draft. I think if your team can afford to lose the power and needs the pitching it's a good, equal trade.
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Re: Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby Element » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:38 pm

I like it.
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Postby acertijo » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:05 pm

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Re: Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby acertijo » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:06 pm

I think it's a good deal for you and I don't see how it's relevant where they were drafted or what they cost at this point. The draft is done with and now we're playing the games.

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Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby lastingsgriller » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:38 pm

acertijo wrote:I think it's a good deal for you and I don't see how it's relevant where they were drafted or what they cost at this point. The draft is done with and now we're playing the games.

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Draft value is relevant when determining the value of the players in a vacuum. And since it's still apr 16 nothing should have changed since their value on draft day.

Thus, this should be looked at as a fair deal. Conversely, if the offer was Cruz for darvish, it may help his team in the same way but we would be inclined to ask for something else as well because of Cruz's draft day value in comparison to darvish's draft day value.
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Re: Early Trade - Cruz for Cain

Postby acertijo » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:45 pm

lastingsgriller wrote:
acertijo wrote:I think it's a good deal for you and I don't see how it's relevant where they were drafted or what they cost at this point. The draft is done with and now we're playing the games.

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Draft value is relevant when determining the value of the players in a vacuum. And since it's still apr 16 nothing should have changed since their value on draft day.

Thus, this should be looked at as a fair deal. Conversely, if the offer was Cruz for darvish, it may help his team in the same way but we would be inclined to ask for something else as well because of Cruz's draft day value in comparison to darvish's draft day value.


Your point is well taken. However, values do change even this quickly. Whether through injury (Ellsbury, Wilson, etc) or through performance (Liriano is a good example of drastically decreased value from draft day). I wouldn't ignore draft value all together so as to overvalue a fast starter, but my point is more that too often when a person offers a trade (or responds to a trade) they tend to lean too heavily on where the player was drafted. I've had more than one instance where someone tried to offer me a one-sided deal in their favor and justified it by referencing the fact that they drafted the player in an early round (i.e., the botched their draft and are trying to fix it on my shoulders).

Thanks for the response though, I do get what you're saying.
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