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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:55 pm

Kipnis has went before Cozart in all my keeper leagues.
Not sure why you want 2 SS, over a SS and 2B.
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby ATLbraves » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:58 pm

HOOTIE wrote:Kipnis has went before Cozart in all my keeper leagues.
Not sure why you want 2 SS, over a SS and 2B.

Halo Homers makes some very solid points. The only reason I would keep Cozart is for trade bait later when he starts playing well. Or to back up Reyes when he gets hurt. But Kipnis could start for me at 2B.


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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:04 pm

Worry about SS, when Reyes goes down.
Seems a waste to have a guy on bench, when you can have equal or better starting at 2B.
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby Halo Homers » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:12 pm

ATLbraves wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:Kipnis has went before Cozart in all my keeper leagues.
Not sure why you want 2 SS, over a SS and 2B.

Halo Homers makes some very solid points. The only reason I would keep Cozart is for trade bait later when he starts playing well. Or to back up Reyes when he gets hurt. But Kipnis could start for me at 2B.


BTW we don't have a MI spot in our lineup. Just 1 utility.


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Becasue its a keeper, I think there is definite value in keeping that second SS, especially a guy who projects pretty well in the future for a team that looks like it is going to have a good run offensively. If ATL braves plays in a deep league replacing Reyes if he is injured won't be so easy.
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby Halo Homers » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:19 pm

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ATLbraves wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:Kipnis has went before Cozart in all my keeper leagues.
Not sure why you want 2 SS, over a SS and 2B.

Halo Homers makes some very solid points. The only reason I would keep Cozart is for trade bait later when he starts playing well. Or to back up Reyes when he gets hurt. But Kipnis could start for me at 2B.


BTW we don't have a MI spot in our lineup. Just 1 utility.


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Becasue its a keeper, I think there is definite value in keeping that second SS, especially a guy who projects pretty well in the future for a team that looks like it is going to have a good run offensively. If ATL braves plays in a deep league replacing Reyes if he is injured won't be so easy.


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Given there is on MI in your league, I'd probably would go Kipnis if you have no other 2nd basemen. I think you might be able to extract more out of this trade through. If Cozart does as well as projected, he could more into the second tier of SS (5-10) next year. Maybe you keep him to and speculate a little.
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:24 pm

I like Cozart, but i think you are under rating Kipnis here.
Most projections have Kipnis ahead in runs, hrs, and rbis by a lot.
BP projects the Reds to score only 43 more runs then the Indians.
I take Kipnis better numbers, and worry about injuries when they happen.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=2B

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=SS
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby Halo Homers » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:07 pm

HOOTIE wrote:I like Cozart, but i think you are under rating Kipnis here.
Most projections have Kipnis ahead in runs, hrs, and rbis by a lot.
BP projects the Reds to score only 43 more runs then the Indians.
I take Kipnis better numbers, and worry about injuries when they happen.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=2B

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=SS


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Well, Atlbraves is sure getting his monies worth on this one. I also was looking at fangraphs when I wrote my post. I'm concerned about Kipnis's K rate of 22%, maybe he improves this year back to what he did in the minors, which was a high teens K rate which looks much better. Also his HR/FB rate was totally unsustainable, but its a very small sample. Also, I bring up his defense again as that is an issue that could effect playing time.

Hey, I'll admit Cozart is more a risk play; he's only got 38 major league ABs, but I like his minor league stats for a thin position, if he can replicate those he's top 5-10 right away at that postion.

Interesting BP thinks the Reds will only score 43 more runs. I think it will be more like 60-70, even for a National League team. Reds have a lot of proven young vets comming into their prime.
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby ATLbraves » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:28 pm

So we all agree that I should trade Cozart for Kipnis? Straight up.

Cozart would be a 21st round pick and Kipnis would be a 20th round pick. 12 team league.
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby Halo Homers » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:07 pm

ATLbraves wrote:So we all agree that I should trade Cozart for Kipnis? Straight up.

Cozart would be a 21st round pick and Kipnis would be a 20th round pick. 12 team league.


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I would try make another deal for another 2b. I think Cozart will be that good maybe not this year, but in comming years. I agree with Hootie that conventional wisdom says Kipnis will be better this year. Also, not having and MI does hurt Cozart's value in your league. You would almost never consider using a MI in a utiilty slot.
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Re: Should I trade my Zack Cozart for Jason Kipnis? WHIR 100

Postby ATLbraves » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:42 pm

I'm having a lot of trouble deciding what to do here. Anyone else got an opinion/advice?
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