Quick Help Please: Accept this Hamels Trade? WHIR

[sigriffey]

I can't decide whether to take this deal. I want to improve my pitching and I think Hamels is an improvement over Cain and I like Zimmermann over Worley. The question is Dunn. Most of what I read says he will return to his former self this year. Is it worth moving Jesus Montero for him in this deal? This guy will pull the deal soon so I need to decide.


I give: Jesus Montero, Matt Cain, Vance Worley
I get: Adam Dunn, Cole Hamels, Jordan Zimmermann[/b]

12 Team H2H Daily with 6 Keepers Season to Season, each for 3 years max. * means a keeper entering this season
Stat Categories: R, 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, SB, BB, AVG -- IP, CG, W, L, ER, ERA, K, SV, WHIP

MY TEAM

C Alex Avila
1B Prince Fielder*
2B Dustin Pedroia*
3B Miguel Cabrera*
SS Hanley Ramirez*
OF Jacoby Ellsbury*
OF B.J. Upton
OF Torii Hunter
UT Mike Moustakis
UT Jesus Montero
UT Austin Jackson
BN Lorenzo Cain
BN Colby Rasmus

SP Roy Halladay*
SP Matt Cain
SP Ricky Romero
RP Jose Valverde
RP Grant Balfour
P Aroldis Chapman
P Anibal Sanchez
P Brandon Beachy
BN Colby Lewis
BN Vance Worley
BN Mark Buehrle

[kidsilk]

I would take it. I think the upgrade in pitching overrides the downgrade from Montero to Dunn. But, I am a believer in Dunn this year and think he rebounds. I would pull the trigger.

please help

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[HOOTIE]

There is no harder guy to forecast then Dunn?
He could hit 30, or be a bust again.

Would the guy take Avila instead of Montero?

[sigriffey]

There is no harder guy to forecast then Dunn?
He could hit 30, or be a bust again.

Would the guy take Avila instead of Montero?

Unfortunately, Montero is the deal prize in the deal for him.

[mpieco]

I think offering Avila would put a sour taste in the owner's mouth, and thus you wouldn't have a chance at the first trade again. The reason why the guy is offering Hamels/Zimm is because he must love Montero.

I still can't make up my mind on this. Let me ask you this. If Montero puts up a monster year...let's say...35 HRs, 105 RBIs, with a .280 average, would you keep him? Who would you keep him over? Ellsbury?

What I'm getting at is, if there's no chance you're keeping him, then Montero's value, relative to you, is lower than for other people. People might be valuing him highly, because they would probably keep him next year. That means you, even though you probably wouldn't keep him, can get high value (like Hamels) since people's perception of Montero is greater.

So...would you keep Montero, or do you admit he'd be thrown back in anyway?

[HOOTIE]

I really don't know.
Too me, Hamels/Cain is a wash.
Zimmerman over Worley.
Which means Dunn must be better then Montero by more then a little.
Dunn is the hardest guy to try and trade for, since it is a lot of risk.
Montero imo, will go .280 20/80.

[sigriffey]

Generally I avoid keeping cathers because of the risk (see Mauer, Posey). But a guy who DHs is a differen story. Right now on the keeper depth charts I think I would keep my current 6 again... Assuming Doc maintains his excellence. Since pitching is so thin this year I'd consider going into next season with two arms as well if one my hitting keepers like Hanley fizzle out.

My main goal was to improve my staff. Also to potentially improve then trade value of my #2 in the event that I could trade up for a Kershaw or someone.

[sigriffey]

He initially offered me this deal with Papi and Romero instead of Dunn and Worley. Should I see if there is any way he would do this as a two for two? Or should I get him to go back to Papi and try to give him Lewis instead of Worley?

[sigriffey]

UPDATE:

He proposed this. Take it or pass?

I give: Cain, Montero and Worley
I get: Hamels, J.Zimmermann and David Ortiz