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My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby sigriffey » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:35 pm

Take this deal or pass?

I give: Jesus Montero, Matt Cain, Ricky Romero
I get: Big Papi, Cole Hamels, Jordan Zimmermann[/b]

12 Team H2H Daily with 6 Keepers Season to Season, each for 3 years max. * means a keeper entering this season
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C Alex Avila
1B Prince Fielder*
2B Dustin Pedroia*
3B Miguel Cabrera*
SS Hanley Ramirez*
OF Jacoby Ellsbury*
OF B.J. Upton
OF Torii Hunter
UT Mike Moustakis
UT Jesus Montero
UT Austin Jackson
BN Lorenzo Cain
BN Colby Rasmus

SP Roy Halladay*
SP Matt Cain
SP Ricky Romero
RP Jose Valverde
RP Grant Balfour
P Aroldis Chapman
P Anibal Sanchez
P Brandon Beachy
BN Colby Lewis
BN Vance Worley
BN Mark Buehrle
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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby mpieco » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:10 pm

Here's my question:

Of your 6 keepers, how many are entering their last year as your keeper? In other words...I'm thinking about keeper longevity.

You're giving up Cain and Montero, who could both potentially be keepers for next year.

Whereas you'd be getting back a haul where I only really see one potential keeper (Hamels).

Sometimes that is a good way of judging the usefulness of trades. I like Hamels as a slight upgrade over Cain, but is it worth giving up the potential keeper-ness of Montero? I think that's the ultimate question you have to answer for yourself. Because in reality, Romero/Zimm is probably a wash. And while Ortiz may put up similar/better numbers than Montero THIS year, you also have to think long-term a bit as well.
(In reference to an Aaron Hill for David Price swap)

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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby sigriffey » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:11 pm

mpieco wrote:Here's my question:

Of your 6 keepers, how many are entering their last year as your keeper? In other words...I'm thinking about keeper longevity.

You're giving up Cain and Montero, who could both potentially be keepers for next year.

Whereas you'd be getting back a haul where I only really see one potential keeper (Hamels).

Sometimes that is a good way of judging the usefulness of trades. I like Hamels as a slight upgrade over Cain, but is it worth giving up the potential keeper-ness of Montero? I think that's the ultimate question you have to answer for yourself. Because in reality, Romero/Zimm is probably a wash. And while Ortiz may put up similar/better numbers than Montero THIS year, you also have to think long-term a bit as well.


All my 6 keepers can be kept thru the end of next season (so they are entering year two of a 3 year contract). I drafted Montero this year, as I did Cain, so those guys are in year 1 of a potential 3 years contract if I elect to keep them. We can only keep 6 players.
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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby mpieco » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:15 pm

Well, if all 6 of your keepers can be kept again...maybe go for the slight pitcher upgrade? It's a shame to not at least take one year with Montero to see how he does, though...
(In reference to an Aaron Hill for David Price swap)

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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby sigriffey » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:16 pm

I know ... that's the part I am not wild about. I would rather hang onto Montero. If I could get him to do Cain and Romero for Hamels and Zimmermann would it be worth it or is it kind of a wash?
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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby mpieco » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:20 pm

Well, the thing is, I think the allure of the trade for him is Montero. So if you remove the Montero/Ortiz aspect of the trade, then I don't think he'd have much interest.

Like I said, this deal really comes down to your willingness to deal Montero. Would you be upgrading your pitching? In my opinion, yes. Hopefully you can get some other opinions. Cain/Romero is nothing to sneeze at. But I do like Hamels and a potential non-innings limited Zimmermann a bit more.
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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby sigriffey » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:21 pm

mpieco wrote:Well, the thing is, I think the allure of the trade for him is Montero. So if you remove the Montero/Ortiz aspect of the trade, then I don't think he'd have much interest.

Like I said, this deal really comes down to your willingness to deal Montero. Would you be upgrading your pitching? In my opinion, yes. Hopefully you can get some other opinions. Cain/Romero is nothing to sneeze at. But I do like Hamels and a potential non-innings limited Zimmermann a bit more.


That is really my goal... to upgrade my rotation. I just wish I was doing it by shipping off Lewis or Anibal for someone a tier up, ya know?
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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby HOOTIE » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:35 pm

I wouldn't worry about your SP.
Sanchez is decent.
i don't care for the guys in your UT.
I would find a buyer for Avila, get a bat back, and get Montero as C, not UT.
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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby sigriffey » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:38 pm

Update:

He is offering Cole Hamels, Jordan Zimmermann and Adam Dunn
I would give him Matt Cain, Jesus Montero and Vance Worley
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Re: My Montero/Cain/Romero for Papi/Hamels/Zimmermann? WHIR

Postby Halo Homers » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:55 pm

I would not take this deal.

Hamels slightly better than Cain. Hamels in reality quite a bit better, but the ballpark factors tend to even them out.

Zimmerman much better than Worley, especially ERA and WHIP.

Montero I like a lot. I think he'll still deliver a line like .290-22-70-90. Dunn has looked better this spring, but I want to see it when the season begins. Even if he does return to form, his BA will be a major drag on a team.
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