I am the commissioner of a 10 team ESPN H2H league.

Last year, the league was 12 teams and there were complaints the entire season about how a good pitcher scored way more than a good batter. In ESPN normal fantasy leagues, a win would get your pitcher 10 points added to their total.

I was thinking about changing it to 5 (and keeping it at -5 for a loss).

Now I read on ESPN that although the top pitchers heavily outscored the top batters, when you moved down the rankings, they would eventually even out and the batters would then score more. However, if it's changed to 5 points for a win, the top SPs would still heavily outscore the top batters, but the batters would pass the pitchers much sooner and pitchers drafted in late rounds (18+) would contribute next to nothing.

Here's the scoring I have it set at right now. Please let me know what you think. Currently it's set to 13 categories for pitching and 13 for batting (26 total).

Batting 1B Singles: 1 point 2B Doubles: 2 points 3B Triples: 3 points HR Home Runs: 4 points TB Total Bases: 1 point BB Walks: 1 point R Runs Scored: 1 point RBI Runs Batted In: 1 point SB Stolen Bases: 1 point K Strikeouts: -1 point GWRBI Game Winning RBI: 3 points CYC Hitting for the Cycle: 12 points GSHR Grand Slam Home Runs: 5 points

Pitching IP Outs Recorded: 1 point ER Earned Runs: -2 points W Wins: 5 points L Losses: -5 points SV Saves: 5 points BS Blown Saves: -3 points K Strikeouts: 1 point H Hits Allowed: -1 point BB Walks Issued: -1 point SO Shutouts: 5 points HB Hit Batsmen: -2 points NH No Hitters: 12 points PG Perfect Games: 20 points

As you can see, batters can only lose points from a strikeout, but pitchers can lose points from a loss, blown save, walk, earned run, hit batsman, or a hit. But then also keep in mind that they can earn multiple points for an out (strikeout gets you 2 points b/c 1 for the K and the other for the actual out).

That is the exact reason I never play in Point Leagues. The points for the hitters and pitchers are never even. Do yourself a favor and play in a Category League.

I was thinking that but I asked the remaining 9 owners and we've all used H2H points and no one really wants to switch so I guess I'll just have to limit # of pitchers, # of starts, etc.

I went to baseballmoster.com and entered in my league scoring system and created a cheat sheet based on last years stats. it will show you what every player would have scored for fantasy with your point system last year.

I used this site to alter my scoring system until pitchers and hitters were close to even. I ended up with 9 pitchers and 11 hitters in the top 20 of points scored last year. This is what I came up with, and it's close enough for me:

Hitters – 1 point for singles 2 points for doubles 3 points for triples 4 points for a home run 1 point for a run scored 1 point for each RBI driven in 1 point for a walk 2 points for a stolen base -2 points for being caught stealing -1 point for a strikeout 10 points for hitting for the cycle

Pitchers – 1.5 points for each inning pitched (.5 points per out) -1 point for each earned run surrendered 1 point for each strikeout -1 point for each walk surrendered 5 points for a win -5 points for a loss 3 points for a save -3 points for a blown save 5 points for a shutout 5 points for a no hitter 5 points for a perfect game

I'm a pretty big believer in the H2H points system, as it allows for some randomness (h2h) but also doesn't hold some of the typical categories to higher value than what is actually important in baseball (SBs, saves as examples).

When I designed a system for an ESPN points league, the first thing I did was develop a point system for the hitters, because this is a bit easier. One point for a single, 4 for a homer. 1 point for an RBI, .5 point for Run and 1 point for a stolen base, since it shouldn't be more important than a single IMO. So this game an approximate amount of "points" that the hitters would be worth.

Armed with that number, I was able to look at pitching. Since I value things a pitcher can control (strikeouts), I put that at a point. And since I think a 200 inning 4th starter is more important than a closer, I wanted to make each out recorded a half point. Because I value 200 innings more than 60, I wanted to avoid rate stats common in roto. At that point, you can come with arbitrary values for things that you and the league value, like complete games, quality starts, saves, wins, etc. It's not impossible, and over time a good system can be developed. I think it's important to get league by in though, so showing your work is always a good thing.

I posted my point system in another thread(it seemse these are common). viewtopic.php?t=442180

One of the main things to consider when you are adjusting scoring is the lineup requirements. How many pitchers do you use? How many batters do you use? We use C,1B,2B,3B,SS,OF1,OF2,OF3,DH, SP1,SP2,SP3,RP1,SP/RP

Also, do you set your lineup once a week or everyday? if you set it every day, your pitching totals will be much higher than your batting totals.