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Postby germani40 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:21 pm

I recently jumped on the Lawrie bandwagon. Its a 12 team keeper league we keep 16 each year. Unlimited years and no penalty. How do I go about making a deal for him. I was thinking about one of my shortstops, Michael Young, or Moustakas and a pitcher for him. Is that a good deal? What package should I try sending 1st and what should be my best offer. I would have no problem with doing a SS, a 3B, and a pitcher for him.

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UPDATE
He wants Haren or Granderson plus someone else. I was thinking Haren because I have deeper pitching than OF. Who should I throw in with Haren as a starting offer. And who do you think should be my worst case scenario


His team
C Alex Avila (Det - C)
1B Lance Berkman (StL - 1B,OF)
2B Danny Espinosa (Was - 2B)
3B Adrian Beltre (Tex - 3B)
SS Elvis Andrus (Tex - SS)
OF Hunter Pence (Phi - OF)
OF Nick Swisher (NYY - 1B,OF)
OF Michael Morse (Was - 1B,OF)
Util Brett Lawrie (Tor - 3B)
Util Aramis Ramirez (Mil - 3B)
SP Matt Cain (SF - SP)
SP Roy Halladay (Phi - SP)
RP Huston Street (SD - RP)
RP Chris Sale (CWS - RP)
P Ian Kennedy (Ari - SP)
P Mat Latos (Cin - SP)
P Derek Holland (Tex - SP)
P Jacob Turner (Det - SP)
BN Yoenis Cespedes (Oak - OF)
BN Dayan Viciedo (CWS - OF)
BN Jose Altuve (Hou - 2B)
BN Ryan Vogelsong (SF - SP)
BN Tyler Clippard (Was - RP)
BN Antonio Bastardo (Phi - RP)

My team
C Mike Napoli (Tex - C,1B)
1B Eric Hosmer (KC - 1B)
2B Ben Zobrist (TB - 2B,OF)
3B Michael Young (Tex - 1B,2B,3B)
SS Jhonny Peralta (Det - SS)
OF Shin-Soo Choo (Cle - OF)
OF Curtis Granderson (NYY - OF)
OF Emilio Bonifacio (Mia - 3B,SS,OF)
Util Billy Butler (KC - 1B)
Util Ike Davis (NYM - 1B)
SP Dan Haren (LAA - SP)
SP Cliff Lee (Phi - SP)
RP Javy Guerra (LAD - RP)
RP Jim Johnson (Bal - RP)
P Daniel Hudson (Ari - SP)
P Anibal Sanchez (Mia - SP)
P Brett Myers (Hou - SP)
P Matt Moore (TB - RP)
BN Stephen Drew (Ari - SS)
BN Chase Utley (Phi - 2B)
BN Mike Moustakas (KC - 3B)
BN Alexei Ramirez (CWS - SS)
BN Chad Billingsley (LAD - SP)
BN Aaron Crow (KC - RP)
DL Brett Anderson (Oak - SP) DL
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C Napoli
1 Butler/Davis/Hosmer/Dunn
2 Young/Utley/Zobrist
3 Moustakas
SS Bonifacio/E Cabrera
OF Grandy/Choo/Reddick/Kubel
SP Anderson/C Lee/Oswalt
Haren/Moore/A Sanchez
RP Soriano/Myers/Johnson/Aceves/Parnell
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:31 pm

Keeping in mind the fact that you keep 16 unlimited/no penalty, which is almost a dynasty league...

If I put myself in the other guy's shoes and look at your roster, for Lawrie I'd want:

Eric Hosmer and Ike Davis (Long term I'm going to need a 1B, Hosmer is a good bet and Davis is a lottery ticket who could outproduce Hosmer's power numbers)

Matt Moore and Ben Zobrist (In a league that deep I'd want as much SP depth as possible, and Zobrist would help me at 2B where I'm weak)

If I was your trading partner that's where I'd start discussions. I'd make sure to get one of Hosmer/Davis and see what I could squeeze out of you for a 2nd guy, maybe throwing in a guy I'm low on like Vogelsong or something.

Young would be a non-starter - with 16 unlimited keepers I'd have to be getting massively better in the short term to take that much of an age swing (Lawrie to Young). Plus, if I traded Lawrie I wouldn't care about getting a 3B back with both Beltre and Aramis on my team.

With those league settings Lawrie is really, really, really valuable. Unless I was getting back someone just as young and talented (Hosmer or Moore) or someone a LOT better (like, if you wanted to put up Curtis Granderson), I'm not budging.

Anyway that's just how I'd approach it if i were the other guy. Helps to put yourself in his shoes, see if you're making his team better. You could try Young+Moose, but don't be surprised if you get a hard "no."
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby zephyr » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:02 pm

You're going to need to give-up a young, long-term keeper stud to get him in this format. Lawrie could be an elite 3B for the next decade...that's hard to give-up in a keeper format.

I like Michael Young and Moose projects well...just lacks that impact that Lawrie represents.

I hate to say it...but...Hosmer's the logical choice. I love me some Hos...a lot! They're both going to be studs for a long time but I prefer a 3B over a 1B anyday. You can move Hos's teammate Butler to 1B and be in good shape with a young 1B option there.

The other option is maybe a package around Zobrist. I'm not sure what to think of Zobrist yet but he's got legit value and you can move Murphy to 2B for now (and maybe target a Kipinis or someone down the road as a great young 2B keeper).

Love Lawrie...that being said...I'm thinking of trading him away. Thoughts? (and please read my recent post...adapted the trade) viewtopic.php?t=441707
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby Joe Mama » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:12 pm

Thanks for the help w/ mine.

I have to echo what the guys above me said. If he's going to give up Lawrie, he's going to want a stud long-term keeper himself for the long run or a massive upgrade in the short term. I'm not sure that Michael Young and Mike Moustakas qualifies in that regard. Hosmer is having a great spring, and what helps is that you have a lot of quality 1st basemen to take his spot. Billy Butler's only 25!

As far as negotiations, I would maybe throw out Michael Young, Emilion Bonifacio, and either Anibal Sanchez or Daniel Hudson just to get things started. The risk is that he highly values Lawrie (I'm sure he does) and takes it as low ball offer. This could potentially kill any chances of getting a deal done. Good luck!
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby Element » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:26 pm

Your best bet is to contact the owner first & see what his asking price would be. Chances are, he's already on the wagon himself & it would cost you wayyyyy too much to acquire him. I wouldn't deal Hosmer for him, but I would deal Moore.
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby wheels » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:33 pm

I agree, he's going to be a tough get, especially after stellar spring. Definately going to take a young guy in return plus a second player. If he'll bite, maybe Moustakis and Moore for Lawrie and lesser SP. Find out first if willing to deal and what he wants.

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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby RyeWhiskey » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:52 pm

Lawrie is vastly over-hyped (and hence over-priced) in a standard league, let alone in a keeper. I don't think it's in your interest to try and buy when his value is so inflated. Why not wait until he's in a huge slump and buy-low? ;-D
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby MaudDib » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:49 pm

Element wrote:Your best bet is to contact the owner first & see what his asking price would be. Chances are, he's already on the wagon himself & it would cost you wayyyyy too much to acquire him. I wouldn't deal Hosmer for him, but I would deal Moore.


This is what I like to do. Tell the owner what you want and see what he would want in return. Much easier to get an idea of what it will cost rather than keep shooting trade offers too him. When an owner and I have a discussion around a trade, I am way more likely to get a deal done.
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby germani40 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:47 pm

Would you do Haren straight up for Lawrie? I think that might be a possible deal. I feel like my pitching is solid enough to lose him
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C Napoli
1 Butler/Davis/Hosmer/Dunn
2 Young/Utley/Zobrist
3 Moustakas
SS Bonifacio/E Cabrera
OF Grandy/Choo/Reddick/Kubel
SP Anderson/C Lee/Oswalt
Haren/Moore/A Sanchez
RP Soriano/Myers/Johnson/Aceves/Parnell
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Re: Lawrie trade help. WHIR

Postby sigriffey » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:50 pm

How about Billy Butler and Anibal Sanchez for Lawrie?
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