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Postby MurrayKy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:25 pm

Hey guys, back again. These trade talks have been going on for a while haha.

I had been offered Heyward/Beachy/Espinosa for Pence/McCarthy/Kendrick, turned it down. I did have interest in his backup OF/UTIL player in Shin-soo Choo. So we started talking about him.

First off, here's my league settings and roster.

I'm in a 20-team H2H Cats dynasty where you keep 25 of 29, and start one of each position plus a util, 5 starting pitchers and 5 relievers.

Offense CATS: H, R, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, K, BB, SB, CS, AVG
Pitching CATS: ERA, K, BB, K/BB, WHIP, HRA, SV, HD, W, L

C. Ryan Doumit
1b. Adrian Gonzalez
2b. Howie Kendrick
3b. Evan Longoria
Ss. Asdrubal Cabrera
Lf. Desmond Jennings
Cf. Adam Jones
Rf. Hunter Pence
Util. Cameron Maybin
Be. Jean Segura
Be. Ryan Sweeney
Be. Alex Presley
Be. Jurickson Profar
Be. Hak-Ju Lee
Be. Brent Morel
Be. Wilin Rosario
Dl. Victor Martinez

Sp. Yovani Gallardo
Sp. Jordan Zimmermann
Sp. Brandon McCarthy
Sp. John Danks
Sp. Ryan Dempster
Rp. Jordan Walden
Rp. Frank Francisco
Rp. Mike Adams
Rp. Darren Oliver
Rp. Joel Peralta
Be. Brian Matusz
Be. Taijuan Walker
Be. Jeff Niemann

We got into talking about him dealing Choo and Beachy, and just as a preliminary offer I offered Niemann and Pence, to see if he would bite. He really likes Pence this year. Really. Haha.

I also brought up trading him Hak-Ju Lee, since Alex Gonzalez is his only SS.

Anyways, he turned that down and said he wanted a better pitcher than Niemann, and maybe we could do a Pence/better pitcher than Niemann/Lee for Choo/Beachy/someone else.

I kinda wanna offer him something without Lee, just a straight Choo/Beachy for Pence/?... who would you guys suggest?

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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIP

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:29 pm

I would offer Danks, Dempster if he turns Danks down.
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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIP

Postby jefferey13 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:30 pm

I wouldn't give up just pence for choo/beachy. I don't like beachy very much. I bet you his ERA's will be in the high 3's. And choo can't come close to replacing pence.
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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIP

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:36 pm

jefferey13 wrote:I wouldn't give up just pence for choo/beachy. I don't like beachy very much. I bet you his ERA's will be in the high 3's. And choo can't come close to replacing pence.

Choo in 2010 earned more then Pence. Now i prefer Pence, but i wouldn't say it isn't close.
Why you down on Beachy?
A 3.16 xFIP last year.
ZIPS has him at 3.32. I would be surprised if it's over 3.50.
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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIR

Postby MurrayKy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:47 pm

Yeah I was thinking it'd be a steal to give up Niemann and Pence for Beachy and Choo.

One, I live in Cleveland so it'd be nice to see him and have him be on my fantasy team. Hahaha, not very fantasy relevant but still a plus.

Two, I think the Beachy to Niemann upgrade is huge, Beachy is primed for a breakout year according to past performance AND great peripherals.

Maybe something like Pence/Niemann/Lee or someone else for Beachy/Choo?
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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIP

Postby jefferey13 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:02 pm

Maybe I'm a little hard on Choo, but his AVG dropped so much last year with him getting limited at bats, and Choos full 2010 stats arent better than pence's 2011 except for SB. And beachy the reason I have such a bad taste is because I picked him up late last year and I only remembered bad things. So I decided to run the numbers, in his last 3 months he had an ERA of 4.44 and ATL lost every single one of beachys sept starts (he was only credited with 1 loss).
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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIP

Postby bobnerns » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:02 pm

HOOTIE wrote:I would offer Danks, Dempster if he turns Danks down.

Agreed. I don't think Choo is as big of a downgrade from Pence as they are being drafted this year. A healthy Choo could easily match Pence. Beachy will be a nice upgrade over either Danks or Dempster. Ask him if he'd go for either one. Leave Lee out of it.

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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIP

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:18 pm

2010 earned
Choo $23
Pence $22

2011
Pence $24

The only bad month Beachy had was Sept. 5.27 era.
But that was because his babip was .393, and his strand rate was 62%.
His Sept. xFIP was 2.15.
The only month his xFIP was over 3 was July.
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Re: Choo/Beachy for Pence/? and WHIP

Postby MaudDib » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:17 pm

HOOTIE wrote:I would offer Danks, Dempster if he turns Danks down.

I agree with this.

I also think people are over valuing Pence. He isn't a .310+ hitter more like a .280 guy. He is good but same ballpark as Choo.
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