couldn't they have skipped a start here and either have him throw a simulated game or a bullpen session when he would usually start. using any number of IP is ridiculous though as there are stress IP and easy IP, and they aren't the same thing. you could have an easy pitched game without any stress and throw 100 pitches through what 7-8 innings. or you could get lit up throwing 20-30 pitches and inning for 3-4 innings.
Hopefully teams learn from this abomination. Watch, the Nats make it far in the postseason only to get outpitched. I mean I like their chances next year, and most people (including this forum) didn't give the Nats credit for being a playoff team before this season started, but you don't put yourself in a position where you are going to take away your best player for the end of the year. They just have too much to lose. In the postseason, there is nothing more important than a frontline starter.
lastingsgriller wrote:Hindsight is a pretty bad basis for an argument. They had no idea that he would be THIS effective coming off TJ surgery, nor did they know that they would be the best team in the NL at this point. If they knew those things, I'm sure he wouldn't have pitched in April/May. But, of course, who's to say that they would be in the position they are in now if he hadn't pitched the whole season.
It's not hindsight, it's lack of foresight. Find a possible outcome that makes you say "it's a good idea to let him start throwing in March". I can't think of one. If they're gonna shut him down anyway, why does it matter where his 5 months of pitching occur? Of course the reasonable thing to do is not shut him down, and accept the fact that his chances of getting re-injured in 2013 are the same regardless of how much he pitches this year. But at least if they shut him down they can say "Sorry Mr Boras, we tried. Hey fans... don't blame us. We shut him down. Not my fault!".
I just wish there was a tiny shred of evidence that shutting a pitcher down helps him. I've never seen any. None. Just theories, but never facts.
lastingsgriller wrote:Hindsight is a pretty bad basis for an argument. They had no idea that he would be THIS effective coming off TJ surgery, nor did they know that they would be the best team in the NL at this point. If they knew those things, I'm sure he wouldn't have pitched in April/May. But, of course, who's to say that they would be in the position they are in now if he hadn't pitched the whole season.
It's not hindsight, it's lack of foresight. Find a possible outcome that makes you say "it's a good idea to let him start throwing in March". I can't think of one. If they're gonna shut him down anyway, why does it matter where his 5 months of pitching occur? Of course the reasonable thing to do is not shut him down, and accept the fact that his chances of getting re-injured in 2013 are the same regardless of how much he pitches this year. But at least if they shut him down they can say "Sorry Mr Boras, we tried. Hey fans... don't blame us. We shut him down. Not my fault!".
I just wish there was a tiny shred of evidence that shutting a pitcher down helps him. I've never seen any. None. Just theories, but never facts.
Yeah, I can't emphasize enough the lack of foresight. No matter who you are, you should have some shred of confidence that your team will be good enough to be in a race for the postseason. What does it say to the fans that you were this ill prepared for the post season? Either you're just dumb or you assumed you would be way out of it by this time of year,
lastingsgriller wrote:Hindsight is a pretty bad basis for an argument. They had no idea that he would be THIS effective coming off TJ surgery, nor did they know that they would be the best team in the NL at this point. If they knew those things, I'm sure he wouldn't have pitched in April/May. But, of course, who's to say that they would be in the position they are in now if he hadn't pitched the whole season.
It's not hindsight, it's lack of foresight. Find a possible outcome that makes you say "it's a good idea to let him start throwing in March". I can't think of one. If they're gonna shut him down anyway, why does it matter where his 5 months of pitching occur? Of course the reasonable thing to do is not shut him down, and accept the fact that his chances of getting re-injured in 2013 are the same regardless of how much he pitches this year. But at least if they shut him down they can say "Sorry Mr Boras, we tried. Hey fans... don't blame us. We shut him down. Not my fault!".
I just wish there was a tiny shred of evidence that shutting a pitcher down helps him. I've never seen any. None. Just theories, but never facts.
Yeah, I can't emphasize enough the lack of foresight. No matter who you are, you should have some shred of confidence that your team will be good enough to be in a race for the postseason. What does it say to the fans that you were this ill prepared for the post season? Either you're just dumb or you assumed you would be way out of it by this time of year,
Maybe they had the foresight to know that they wouldn't be in the position they're in now if he hadn't been pitching the whole season.
Skin Blues wrote:It's not hindsight, it's lack of foresight. Find a possible outcome that makes you say "it's a good idea to let him start throwing in March". I can't think of one. If they're gonna shut him down anyway, why does it matter where his 5 months of pitching occur? Of course the reasonable thing to do is not shut him down, and accept the fact that his chances of getting re-injured in 2013 are the same regardless of how much he pitches this year. But at least if they shut him down they can say "Sorry Mr Boras, we tried. Hey fans... don't blame us. We shut him down. Not my fault!".
I just wish there was a tiny shred of evidence that shutting a pitcher down helps him. I've never seen any. None. Just theories, but never facts.
Yeah, I can't emphasize enough the lack of foresight. No matter who you are, you should have some shred of confidence that your team will be good enough to be in a race for the postseason. What does it say to the fans that you were this ill prepared for the post season? Either you're just dumb or you assumed you would be way out of it by this time of year,
Maybe they had the foresight to know that they wouldn't be in the position they're in now if he hadn't been pitching the whole season.
Actually, they'd still be in first place if you take his 3.0 WAR out of the equation.
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote: Yeah, I can't emphasize enough the lack of foresight. No matter who you are, you should have some shred of confidence that your team will be good enough to be in a race for the postseason. What does it say to the fans that you were this ill prepared for the post season? Either you're just dumb or you assumed you would be way out of it by this time of year,
Maybe they had the foresight to know that they wouldn't be in the position they're in now if he hadn't been pitching the whole season.
Actually, they'd still be in first place if you take his 3.0 WAR out of the equation.
sure, I bet they would have 3 less wins they had chien-ming wang pitching all year instead of Stephen Strasburg. and if that is the case, why is everybody so up in arms about whether he keeps pitching or not? good point, though.
lastingsgriller wrote: Maybe they had the foresight to know that they wouldn't be in the position they're in now if he hadn't been pitching the whole season.
Actually, they'd still be in first place if you take his 3.0 WAR out of the equation.
sure, I bet they would have 3 less wins they had chien-ming wang pitching all year instead of Stephen Strasburg. and if that is the case, why is everybody so up in arms about whether he keeps pitching or not? good point, though.
Lollerskates. My point is, they're 7.5 games up over the WC1 team, and have the best record in the MLB. It's not as if they would have been in fourth place if Stras had sat the first month or two. That's my point.
It's called fill the seats as best you can from the get-go, and the Strasburg situation is not a problem 'till it's a problem, and who would have expected this would be a problem.
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by SpecialFNK » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:39 pm 
