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Postby OnDeckBatta10 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:45 pm

Not that I am actively looking to trade Carlos Santana, but I have had one persistent owner who keeps bugging me to see what I would accept. This is his team in an 18 team dynasty:
Catcher
Devin Mesoraco
Victor Martinez (C/1B)

1B
Ike Davis

2B
Aaron Hill
Ryan Raburn (2B/OF)
Daniel Murphy (1B/2B/3B)

3B
Brett Lawrie

SS
Mike Aviles (SS/2B/3B)
Sean Rodriguez (2B/3B/SS)

OF
Nick Markakis
Brennan Boesch
Josh Willingham
Colby Rasmus
Coco Crisp
Chris Heisey
Jeff Francoeur
Rajai Davis

Util
Travis Hafner

SP
Cole Hamels
James Shields
Mat Latos
Brandon Morrow
Mike Minor
Juan Nicasio
Roy Oswalt
Phil Hughes
Andrew Miller

RP
Francisco Rodriguez
Glen Perkins
Joel Peralta
Sean Marshall

Minors
Hak-Ju Lee, SS
Michael Choice, OF
AJ Cole, SP
Kaleb Cowart, 3B
Jesse Biddle, SP
Jose Fernandez, SP
Robbie Grossman, OF
Joe Panik, SS/2B
Dillon Howard, SP


I told him I want MLB talent back in return, not prospects. I told him I want Hamels, Lawrie, and Mesoraco for Santana. Is that too much to ask? My biggest needs are 3B (my starter right now is Danny Valencia) and SP. And of course I would need a catcher back and that is where Mesoraco comes in.

Thoughts on what would be a fair offer?
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Re: Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby MaudDib » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:10 am

I told him I want MLB talent back in return, not prospects. I told him I want Hamels, Lawrie, and Mesoraco for Santana. Is that too much to ask? My biggest needs are 3B (my starter right now is Danny Valencia) and SP. And of course I would need a catcher back and that is where Mesoraco comes in.


That seems like an awful lot. Santana is a good catcher but Hamels and Lawrie are both going much earlier than him. You can try the offer but I don't think it will happen and might be insulting. I was originally thinking Lawrie and Mesoraco which is slightly overpaying for Santana but if the guy wants him that bad then good for you.
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Re: Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby mpieco » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:45 pm

It seems you're overvaluing Santana in a big way. I don't think he would even give you Hamels OR Lawrie straight up for Santana. He'd be right to not do it--Santana's not worth that.

I'd pursue one of those 2, but not both. I'd ask for Mesoraco/Lawrie/Mike Minor maybe...but you'd probably have to add a 2nd player to the deal to even make it happen.
(In reference to an Aaron Hill for David Price swap)

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Trade accepted! Thanks for the help!
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Re: Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby CadensDad » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:21 pm

mpieco wrote:It seems you're overvaluing Santana in a big way. I don't think he would even give you Hamels OR Lawrie straight up for Santana. He'd be right to not do it--Santana's not worth that.

I'd pursue one of those 2, but not both. I'd ask for Mesoraco/Lawrie/Mike Minor maybe...but you'd probably have to add a 2nd player to the deal to even make it happen.



THIS, Santana is a CATCHER who has only played 201 games. He's not worth all of that
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Re: Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby OnDeckBatta10 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:19 pm

CadensDad wrote:
mpieco wrote:It seems you're overvaluing Santana in a big way. I don't think he would even give you Hamels OR Lawrie straight up for Santana. He'd be right to not do it--Santana's not worth that.

I'd pursue one of those 2, but not both. I'd ask for Mesoraco/Lawrie/Mike Minor maybe...but you'd probably have to add a 2nd player to the deal to even make it happen.



THIS, Santana is a CATCHER who has only played 201 games. He's not worth all of that


A Catcher who hits 25+ HR with 80+RBI with dual C/1B eligibility. Some have him ranked as the top C in fantasy, but he is a top 3 catcher and a top 10 fantasy 1B stat wise.

Granted he is not worth the package I suggested, but remember this is a dynasty league. Santana is still young and those in the above package Mesoraco/Lawrie/Mike Minor have yet to produce consistent numbers in the majors, outside of Lawrie who came up at the end of last season.
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Re: Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby kidsilk » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:22 pm

Maybe try for Mesorco and Lawrie for Santana. I love Santana by the way. He is a total stud.

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Re: Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby jruffus1 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:54 pm

With Santana's low AVG I doubt that he'd even swap Lawrie for him straight up. I wouldn't. Lawrie has serious potential to be a 5-tool player.
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Re: Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:59 pm

i love Santana, but i would laugh if someone wanted Lawrie/Hamels for him.
In a 18 team league, the only way he gets Santana, is if Lawrie comes back.
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Exploring my options in trading Carlos Santana

Postby RogerThat » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:23 pm

Yeah your trade proposal is a good way to end negotiations if that is your goal

Otherwise you need to be realistic that Lawrie has a similar value to Santana
I think the trade with minor mentioned above makes sense for you
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