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Postby bighurt135 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:02 pm

Hey all,
I'm in a 12 team standard 5x5 keeper league. Here is a trade offer I received a below is my team:

My: Felix Hernandez, Josh Johnson, Hunter Pence, Ben Zobrist
for his: Jose Bautista, Matt Cain, Jason Kipnis, Colby Lewis

My team:
C- McCann
1- Sanchez
2- Zobrist
SS- JJ Hardy
3- Aramis Ramirez
OF- Pence, Stubbs, Quentin, Seth Smith (need to drop him), Tabata, Revere, Bourgeious
C- Ramos
2- Hill

P- Hernandez
P- Johnson
P- CJ Wilson
P- Ian Kennedy
P- Jaime Garcia
P- James McDonald
P- Jonathan Sanchez
P- Bud Noris
RP- Soria, Bailey, Madson

So I'm kind of balanced all around, although I could do with more power and RBIs.

Would that trade really help my team? Thanks!
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby MashinSpuds » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:10 pm

I would say you do need some power, and Bautista would be great to have, but you're giving up too much. This is mainly in part because I don't really think Kipnis and Lewis are going to help out your team much, while the other guy gets four really solid players. JJ may still have injury concerns, but if he holds up I think he and Cain could be a wash. Therefore, it's Bautista for a #1 ace, a #2/3 OF, and a power/speed guy in Zobrist. No, I don't think Kipnis and Lewis are going to make this deal worthwhile for you.

Unless he upgrades one of those last two options severely, I wouldn't accept the offer on the table.
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby GiantsFan14 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:53 pm

as much as i love bautista, kipnis and lewis just aren't enough to warrant giving up 4 very good players.
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby CadensDad » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:31 am

I'd pass on this deal.
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby MaudDib » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:18 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:as much as i love bautista, kipnis and lewis just aren't enough to warrant giving up 4 very good players.

Agreed. And your SP would be decimated.
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby silverZ » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:27 am

Bautista > Felix
Cain = Johnson
Kipnis < Pence
Lewis < Zobrist

From a strictly value perspective it's pretty close, but from a team perspective I don't think you can compete with that post trade rotation. I would counter offer asking for a better pitcher than Lewis. Maybe see if he'll do Johnson + Aram for Bautista?
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby bighurt135 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:37 am

Thanks all. I had the same thoughts but needed to get some more feedback. I'm probably going to see if he'd do a straight-up trade of Felix for either Bautista or Tulo because he is really weak in SPs.
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby jefferey13 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:13 pm

bighurt135 wrote:Thanks all. I had the same thoughts but needed to get some more feedback. I'm probably going to see if he'd do a straight-up trade of Felix for either Bautista or Tulo because he is really weak in SPs.


That would be an insane trade on his part if he even thought of doing thought. Bautista or Tulo should be able to fetch a MUCH better pitcher IMO. Tulo is one of the best long term prospects in the league. Maybe go hernandez and zobrist and see if it doesn't get vetoed.
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby HOOTIE » Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:47 pm

jefferey13 wrote:
bighurt135 wrote:Thanks all. I had the same thoughts but needed to get some more feedback. I'm probably going to see if he'd do a straight-up trade of Felix for either Bautista or Tulo because he is really weak in SPs.


That would be an insane trade on his part if he even thought of doing thought. Bautista or Tulo should be able to fetch a MUCH better pitcher IMO. Tulo is one of the best long term prospects in the league. Maybe go hernandez and zobrist and see if it doesn't get vetoed.


Much better pitcher?
Imo, Felix is the 2nd best keeper SP.
How much better can you get at SP?
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Re: 8 player keeper league deal (Felix, Bautista...)

Postby jefferey13 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:23 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
jefferey13 wrote:
bighurt135 wrote:Thanks all. I had the same thoughts but needed to get some more feedback. I'm probably going to see if he'd do a straight-up trade of Felix for either Bautista or Tulo because he is really weak in SPs.


That would be an insane trade on his part if he even thought of doing thought. Bautista or Tulo should be able to fetch a MUCH better pitcher IMO. Tulo is one of the best long term prospects in the league. Maybe go hernandez and zobrist and see if it doesn't get vetoed.


Much better pitcher?
Imo, Felix is the 2nd best keeper SP.
How much better can you get at SP?


Most leagues can only keep players for 3-4 years, and in that timeline I think there are a lot of better choices than Felix. It's just my opinion of course. I'd take Verlander, Kershaw, or basically the Phillies entire rotation. But, I probably overstated my feelings against Felix. Even though he has been consistent for the last 3 years, I just don't think he will replicate.But by all means OP should listen to smarter people haha.
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