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Veto this trade?

Postby miracles716 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:25 pm

This trade was passed in my league and I am commish. As stated in my mandate I have the power to veto trades if collusion was involved or if it was unfair. Let me know what you think of this deal and my proper actions should be:

Team A gets:

Dan Uggla (Atl - 2B)
Cory Luebke (SD - P)
Bud Norris (Hou - P)


Team B gets:
Scott Rolen (Cin - 3B)
Kyle Lohse (StL - P)
Jake Peavy (CWS - P)

Now I have emailed both of them to request their rationale for making this trade and neither one has gotten back to me.
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby GiantsFan14 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:09 pm

I'm normally anti-veto, but unless they can come up with some sort of rationalization this looks like collusion to me. I'd veto.
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby toledomudhens » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:57 pm

is scotty rolen still playing?????.....lol....looks like colusion here as well :-t
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby Goatrider » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:07 pm

Not only veto, but publicly reprimand both of them. There is simply no existing rationale unless team B is looking to put together the
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby andrewkeefe » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:39 pm

Scotty Rolen is still playing in Cinncinati. Peavy is still playing, and Lohse had a pretty good year last year.

I don't think this trade should be vetoed. Someone looks like they got the better end of the deal, but that isn't a crime. I admit the motivation is a little murky, but collusion? I don't see it.

Seriously, if you were to go through all of the coercion, deceit, and chicanery that goes with collusion- wouldn't you hope for better than this?

I say let it fly...
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby bigmck » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:46 pm

The trade is not that uneven. Someone always gets the better of every trade. No Veto
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby SecretAgentMan » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:36 am

I also would veto it. How can anyone justify trading Uggla for Rolen, Lohse, and Peavy?...let alone adding in Norris and Luebke? Even if you want to call the SPs all a push, it would still amount to Uggla for Rolen and that is still a joke. Rolen is not worth squat...Peavy hasn't had a good year since 2009. Hasn't been fully healthy since 2008. He had major shoulder surgery to boot which is very bad for pitchers historically. Lohse is a decent bottom of the rotation pitcher at best. Anyway you cut this this is a bad deal imo and needs to go down and the owners reprimanded.
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby Goatrider » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:40 am

Unless this is auction and everyone on Team B makes $1, then this trade is very very uneven. Those three aren't worth Uggla alone. Just saying, I would have no doubt this trade would go to a veto vote in my league. I think this commish has some pretty good grounds, especially with the owners not bringing forth their rationale.
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby andrewkeefe » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:27 am

If you were to veto this because of collusion, fine.

If you were to veto this because it's a bad trade for someone, shame on you.

If you were to veto this because you can't see why someone would do it, again, shame on you.

If your league saw it as passable- it probably is.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Reprimand?
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Re: Veto this trade?

Postby mkultra » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:53 am

I assume you're seeing the Rolen/Lohse/Peavy side of this as getting ripped off. OK, here's the counter-argument:

Uggla is headed for a major bust. Even a good season from him is a BA-killer.
Leubke has nice peripherals, but he pitches for a terrible team and his W's will suffer. His increased K-rate from the minors to the majors is highly unusual and probably unsustainable.
Norris is basically the same pitcher as Leubke, only without the control. At best he's a 1-category guy.

Meanwhile- Rolen, Lohse and Peavy are all veterans with a track record of getting it done. Yes, they're all tremendous injury risks, but they've all got as much upside as the other side of the deal, if not more.



Now, I don't think I'd agree with that argument, but it's not hard to make and I think it's an honest one.
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