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Postby lastingsgriller » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:32 pm

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You're right, the dh isn't a home for decrepit old chubby players that are way past their prime. My mistake.
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby kab21 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:37 am

lastingsgriller wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:pictures



You're right, the dh isn't a home for decrepit old chubby players that are way past their prime. My mistake.


You're right. My favorite thing about baseball is scrappy utility players that can't hit. We need more.
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby AussieDodger » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:43 am

kab21 wrote:
lastingsgriller wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:pictures



You're right, the dh isn't a home for decrepit old chubby players that are way past their prime. My mistake.


You're right. My favorite thing about baseball is scrappy utility players that can't hit. We need more.


You're right. Scrappy utility players that can't hit shouldn't be DHing
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby Ender » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:49 am

AussieDodger wrote:
kab21 wrote:
lastingsgriller wrote:

You're right, the dh isn't a home for decrepit old chubby players that are way past their prime. My mistake.


You're right. My favorite thing about baseball is scrappy utility players that can't hit. We need more.


You're right. Scrappy utility players that can't hit shouldn't be DHing


Yet guys like Ryan Raburn do DH still.
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby AussieDodger » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:43 am

Ender wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:
kab21 wrote:
You're right. My favorite thing about baseball is scrappy utility players that can't hit. We need more.


You're right. Scrappy utility players that can't hit shouldn't be DHing


Yet guys like Ryan Raburn do DH still.


You're right. Ryan Raburn does DH
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby bigh0rt » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:06 am

Ender wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:
kab21 wrote:
You're right. My favorite thing about baseball is scrappy utility players that can't hit. We need more.


You're right. Scrappy utility players that can't hit shouldn't be DHing


Yet guys like Ryan Raburn do DH still.

I believe you just validated his claim.
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NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby lastingsgriller » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:32 am

bigh0rt wrote:
Ender wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:
You're right. Scrappy utility players that can't hit shouldn't be DHing


Yet guys like Ryan Raburn do DH still.

I believe you just validated his claim.

who's claim?
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby kab21 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:43 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
Ender wrote:
Yet guys like Ryan Raburn do DH still.


I believe you just validated his claim.


27 PA's at DH in his career

2011 stats
AL DH's = .771 OPS
AL PH's = .618 OPS
NL DH's = .657 OPS
NL PH's = .603 OPS
NL P's = .361 OPS
Drew Buterrible = .449 OPS

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions regarding DH but the best opinion that I've heard in this thread is that both leagues should have the same rules. I personally don't care to see pitchers fail at hitting. Maybe some like the strategy but I would prefer to see the starter go that extra inning or so instead of the army of RP'ers that we see in both leagues.
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby Tavish » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:46 pm

kab21 wrote:Maybe some like the strategy but I would prefer to see the starter go that extra inning or so instead of the army of RP'ers that we see in both leagues.

Except the pitcher doesn't really go any longer in the AL than they do in the NL. AL teams on average get about 15 innings more out of their starters than an NL team does (or about 1% more innings).
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Re: NL to Have DH Within 10 Years

Postby Ender » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:46 pm

DH on average hit slightly worse than 3B, worse than LF, worse than RF, worse than 1B. So it isn't even an offensive position at this point. It is a place to platoon young guys or to extend the career of a fading old fart or to ease an injured guy back into the lineup or to hide a particularly terrible fielder but usually not a great hitter. I do agree the key is to keep the same rules in both leagues since interleague will be such a big deal starting next season. The big reason to have the DH is to keep your players healthy and that has to be the top priority of all sports imo.

On a personal level I find the game grinds to a halt when the SP is up. I get the arguments that it adds strategy but lets be honest, pitchers just don't get enough ABs to keep in hitting shape these days at this level. Watching pitchers hit just makes the game boring for me personally because 95% of them aren't capable of doing it, they are praying to get lucky and put the ball in play and bounce it into a hole. It isn't entertaining in any way. So you are trading the entertainment of the strategy for the entertainment of seeing a real hitter.

Except the pitcher doesn't really go any longer in the AL than they do in the NL. AL teams on average get about 15 innings more out of their starters than an NL team does (or about 1% more innings).


This is certainly true and mostly because it is pretty rare for the NL pitcher to come up in a situation where PH for him actually changes anything. It happens like one time per week and the rest of the time the 'strategy' just doesn't matter.
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