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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:39 am

Using ADP lists or individual rankings to compare two sides of a trade (and treating those numbers like the deciding factor in the trade) is pretty stupid. How often have you gotten a trade proposal and the person offering it says something like "this is a good trade for you, I'm giving up the 134th and 66th ranked players for the 140th and 90th! Super deal!"

Uh, yeah. Problem is, those ranks and lists mean nothing when it comes to actual teams in actual leagues. For one thing, most of those lists are geared towards vanilla leagues - 12 team roto 5x5. Keeper settings, extra categories, more/less teams - all that changes the rankings quite a bit. As does the COMPOSITION OF YOUR INDIVIDUAL TEAM. Which is the most important thing.

Trades have to be judged on an individual basis. "Is this making my team better?" is the right question. "Who is getting the most value?" or "who is getting the better deal?" are less helpful.
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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby Mjbren1 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:02 pm

So sorry Berry's rankings weren't good enough, how is this for reality.

Yahoo 2011 final rankings

Halladay 7th
Bruce 59th


That sounds worth it.
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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby Beeblebrox » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:17 pm

You came here looking for justification in your opinion that the trade is unfair.

Instead, every single person that has commented on this thread has told you that there's nothing veto-able about it.

Now you seem to have chosen to get upset with us for not agreeing with you.


Again....I'd suggest finding a league that doesn't allow trading. You'll save yourself a lot of frustration, and you won't ruin the league you are currently in by voting against trades for no rational reason.
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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby wheels » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:35 pm

The only way I veto a deal is if there is clearly collusion or if it's so off the charts it harms the competitive balance of the league. I see neither here with this trade. No one can predict what these guys will do in the future, so if the trading partners are okay with the deal then let it stand.

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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby HOOTIE » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:18 pm

Mjbren1 wrote:So sorry Berry's rankings weren't good enough, how is this for reality.

Yahoo 2011 final rankings

Halladay 7th
Bruce 59th


That sounds worth it.


Why you obsessed with rankings, which are opinions?
Niese shouldn't be owned, so basically it's Halladay/Choo for Bruce/Papelbon/Feliz.
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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby Beeblebrox » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:32 pm

Mjbren1 wrote:So sorry Berry's rankings weren't good enough, how is this for reality.

Yahoo 2011 final rankings

Halladay 7th
Bruce 59th


That sounds worth it.


Why are you stopping there? There's more players in the deal.

If you really want to use just last year's end-of-season rankings here, then actually use them.

Halladay 7th
Niese 480th
Choo 583rd

Bruce 59th
Papelbon 77th
Feliz 156th


Looks like your logic shows the Bruce side is the clear winner.....
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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby Goatrider » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:47 pm

Beeblebrox wrote:


Why are you stopping there? There's more players in the deal.

If you really want to use just last year's end-of-season rankings here, then actually use them.

Halladay 7th
Niese 480th
Choo 583rd

Bruce 59th
Papelbon 77th
Feliz 156th


Looks like your logic shows the Bruce side is the clear winner.....[/quote]


Says it all. Quite arguable Side A wins and therefore non-veto. This is one of my favorite threads in a long time. I think that kid's got some feelings for Doc that surpasses man-crush.
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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby jtsandwich » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:07 am

medium_robin wrote:Is it wrong that I actually prefer team A in this? No way you could veto this trade.



Perfect reason why this trade should stand. It really is not all that bad and fellas on here are not sure what side they like best.
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Re: Veto Worthy?

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:33 am

Mjbren1 wrote:So sorry Berry's rankings weren't good enough, how is this for reality.

Yahoo 2011 final rankings

Halladay 7th
Bruce 59th


That sounds worth it.


Please, by all means, keep arguing your inane point. Or just read the text of this thread again and admit you're wrong. Your choice.
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