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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby Skin Blues » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:57 pm

Beckett brought a huge value last year, he's the reason I finished in the money in my AL League. He was mostly ignored during draft season and posted a 13-7 record, 175 Ks, 2.89 ERA and 1.03 WHIP. Obviously he won't repeat that ERA/WHIP but if he goes cheap again this year I'll give him a shot. He often gets overlooked because of injury issues but his talent level is elite and he has the best offense in baseball behind him.
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby kab21 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:10 pm

West wrote:I want nothing to do with Beckett and find him overvalued almost 100% of the time, that said I play with a bunch of New England idiots.


He was terrible in 2010 if you make decisions based on ERA but his peripherals were very good and he bounced back like expected. I took him at pick 100ish in a draft (MDP - 105) and would again.
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby NikkiSixx » Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:41 pm

Madison Bumgarner
Josh Johnson
Adam Wainright
Tommy Hanson
Jordan Zimmerman
Gio Gonzalez
Wandy Rodriguez
Clay Buccholz
Ted Lilly

And guys I like taking in the last 2 rounds... Francisco Liriano and Jake Peavy. There is also Jonathan Sanchez available very late if you find you desperately need K's.
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby NikkiSixx » Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:43 pm

kab21 wrote:
West wrote:I want nothing to do with Beckett and find him overvalued almost 100% of the time, that said I play with a bunch of New England idiots.


He was terrible in 2010 if you make decisions based on ERA but his peripherals were very good and he bounced back like expected. I took him at pick 100ish in a draft (MDP - 105) and would again.

What he said.
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby ayebatter » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:10 am

This is the staff I've assembled in the Cafeholics Masters league draft, 15 teams going on now, 9 spots no bench. I thought the arms just flew off the board early, and closers holy cow they were ridiculous, but I'm more than happy with the 9 I got. Rounds taken noted.

P - Ubaldo Jimenez, Cle (8.10)
P - Brandon Morrow, Tor (9.06)
P - Shaun Marcum, Mil (10.10)
P - Daniel Bard, Bos (14.10)
P - Chris Sale, Chw (15.06)
P - Gavin Floyd, Chw (17.06)
P - Brandon League, Sea (12.10)
P - Matt Capps, Min (13.06)
P - Vinnie Pestano, Cle (18.10)
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby West » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:33 pm

As unlucky as Beckett was in 2010 his luck turned completely the other way in 2011 as reflected by .245 BABIP and 80% LOB. I'm drafting Beckett with expectations of him repeating his second half numbers which reflected a normalization of those lucky factors - 3.60 ERA, 1.13 WHIP. He plays in poor ballpark and a tough division so I'm not a big believer that he'll keep that ERA much under 3.50. If he drops to a reasonable draft position I'll draft him with those expectations.

theplayer11 wrote:thanks for sharing


Glad I could help.
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby j24jags » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:13 pm

There are definitely quality arms available in the middle rounds, but I would advise you to be aware of how your pitchers complement each other. For instance, if you have the chance to grab Ubaldo/Morrow/Gio Gonzalez you will probably come in dead last in your league in WHIP. You have to ensure you grab a mix of high K/good ratio guys. You can't expect to win your league if you fail to balance your staff and end up in the bottom 3-4 of 2 pitching cats.
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby West » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:32 pm

Right on J24jags, a good strategy would be to pair a Morrow/Gio type with a Cory Luebke, Doug Fister, Brandon McCarthy, type pitcher in the mid to later rounds. Another strategy would be to balance mid round strikeout/upside picks such as Morrow, Beachy, Scherzer, and Anibal with one or two rock steady, high IP, low ratio guys such as Dan Haren or Matt Cain to anchor your staff.

In other words, don't go overboard on K's. It will only get you so far.
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby Galileo » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:24 pm

Did a mock last night picking from the 3 hole. Here is the pitching staff i ended up with..

8. Garza
9. Romero
10. Pineda
12. Hanrahan
13. Morrow
14. A. Sanchez
16. Meyers
18. McCarthy
19. Baker
22. Pestano
C- Santana
1B - Huff
2B - Wigginton
3B - Longoria
SS - Tulowitzki
OF - Posednik
OF - Suzuki
OF - J. Upton
DH - Lind
Bench: C. Pena, Morneau, Prado, Bay, Barmes
SP: Oswalt, Hammels, Nolasco, Weaver, Shields, Lackey, Vargas, Volquez
RP: Soriano, Perez
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Re: For those who wait on Pitching

Postby West » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:50 pm

I can't believe you got Anibal in the 14th after the season he had. I like the risk/reward at that point in the draft.

Pestano is going crazy late right now in mocks and should be a cheap boost in saves at the beginning of the season with a shot at stealing the job from Perez if he dominates.
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