Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2015 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby kab21 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:55 pm

galante22 wrote:Mock Draft Using This Stategy

sp-felix hernandez
sp-gallardo
sp-zimmerman
sp-tim stauffer
sp-jeff niemann
rp-craig kimbrel
rp-john axford
rp-mariano rivera


This pitching staff is average and it won't get it done if you're already punting 2 offensive categories and competing in two others.

But West said it best. It's not fun.
kab21
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe Ranker
Posts: 5340
(Past Year: 162)
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby dannahann » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:46 pm

Syfo-Dyas wrote:
galante22 wrote:do you win every championship drafting a balanced team?

In roto, yes, I have a good chance.
In H2H you can only win the regular season, than it is down to luck.

You brought up this
like the one kid said 3 league, 3 2nd place finishes...thats pretty consistent success

so I refrase your question:
did he win every championship by punting HRs and RBIs?

FWIW I won 2 out of 3 last season (1 H2H, 1 roto), and currently I'm over 90 % success rate at Yahoo baseball, (proof here, so I'm not just sayin something)
Image

and I've never seen that strategy to win.
You can try that strategy in public leagues, but it only takes one owner who has the same strategy, or a knowledgable owner who likes to destroy casual public leaguers, and you are toast.


I have an eerily similar "baseball resume" (see below) and as I read through this thread I was thinking the ONLY PLACE this has any chance at all to succeed is a casual H2H public league. (success to me means winning ala syfo-das) I haven't played H2H or in a public league in many years, just 3 keeper roto leagues. But given the level of competition I remember from back in the day, numbers of owners who lose interest, and the huge impact chance plays in H2H, ANY "strategy" has a shot. In a competitive league you'll not only have very little fun as was pointed out, but you'll likely struggle in the standings too.

Baseball
Game Performance: 90% (27 eligible teams)
Best Finish: 1 (of 20), 2003
Worst Finish: 7 (of 10), 2010
Trophies: 23
Player Since: 2001
Teams Managed 27
League Commish: 7% (2 of 27)
61*
70**73**762***
MVP****NL11,AL07,AL05,NL04,ALNL03,ALNL02,NL01,ALNL00,AL99,ALNL98,ALNL96 RIP Cammi
Cmon Bud, NOW is the time to sack up and force feed an Olympic style drug program down Fehr's fat throat. Save OUR game from these blatant cheaters!
dannahann
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar
Cafe Ranker
Posts: 1991
(Past Year: 39)
Joined: 26 Jun 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Missouri

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby West » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:49 pm

Maybe I am a traditionalist but I just can't stand H2H and threads like this make me hate it even more. I like a format such as Rotisserie where the most balanced team usually wins. I don't like dominating all year and then losing the final matchup because A-Rod and Jeter got benched the last week of the season and Felix and Kershaw got their last starts of the season skipped to keep the innings down and my competitor got a couple nice spot starts out of Drew Pomeranz and Bruce Chen. To me that is just luck and two weeks is far too small a sample size to determine a championship.

I know that a lot of people like H2H because it is an exciting finish but I get little satisfaction out of playing it (and I have been in a competitive H2H league with some friends for 8 years).

If someone can win a league by punting HR's and RBI's then I don't want to play in that league. Fantasy baseball should at least have some semblance of real baseball.

Sorry if this is a negative post but...actually I'm not sorry. :-D
West
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1519
(Past Year: 85)
Joined: 28 Feb 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby kab21 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:29 pm

West wrote:Maybe I am a traditionalist but I just can't stand H2H and threads like this make me hate it even more. I like a format such as Rotisserie where the most balanced team usually wins. I don't like dominating all year and then losing the final matchup because A-Rod and Jeter got benched the last week of the season and Felix and Kershaw got their last starts of the season skipped to keep the innings down and my competitor got a couple nice spot starts out of Drew Pomeranz and Bruce Chen. To me that is just luck and two weeks is far too small a sample size to determine a championship.

I know that a lot of people like H2H because it is an exciting finish but I get little satisfaction out of playing it (and I have been in a competitive H2H league with some friends for 8 years).

If someone can win a league by punting HR's and RBI's then I don't want to play in that league. Fantasy baseball should at least have some semblance of real baseball.

Sorry if this is a negative post but...actually I'm not sorry. :-D


I've played H2H pts for 4-5 yrs but last year was my first year in H2H 5x5. I loved it. The draft is my favorite part of fantasy but that league was the most fun that I've had on a daily basis. Every week you have at least one category being decided on Sunday (usually half of them). I finished 3rd or 4th in the regular season and finished 3rd in the playoffs.

But the most important part is that you play in multiple different formats because playing in just one type of league is a little boring imo. This year I'm playing in a 24 tm H2H pts dynasty, a 16 tm roto (cafe league) and a 14 tm roto (returning for a 2nd season). I'm not sure if I'll add a 4th league or not but it will definitely be a H2H 5x5 league if I do.
kab21
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe Ranker
Posts: 5340
(Past Year: 162)
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby West » Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:46 pm

I think you're right. At the moment I'm trying to find an AL/NL only rotisserie league. It would only be my third league. I try to limit myself. I think I can only stomach one H2H per year. It's just too much of a time investment.
West
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1519
(Past Year: 85)
Joined: 28 Feb 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby bayside » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:29 pm

West wrote:Maybe I am a traditionalist but I just can't stand H2H and threads like this make me hate it even more. I like a format such as Rotisserie where the most balanced team usually wins. I don't like dominating all year and then losing the final matchup because A-Rod and Jeter got benched the last week of the season and Felix and Kershaw got their last starts of the season skipped to keep the innings down and my competitor got a couple nice spot starts out of Drew Pomeranz and Bruce Chen. To me that is just luck and two weeks is far too small a sample size to determine a championship.

I know that a lot of people like H2H because it is an exciting finish but I get little satisfaction out of playing it (and I have been in a competitive H2H league with some friends for 8 years).

If someone can win a league by punting HR's and RBI's then I don't want to play in that league. Fantasy baseball should at least have some semblance of real baseball.

Sorry if this is a negative post but...actually I'm not sorry. :-D

im almost the opposite.
I play in 2 H2H leagues and have way more fun than any roto leagues I've ever done.
Its just much more exciting for me to play one of my buddies every week and be able to talk sh-- back and forth, and adjust lineups to change your strategy based on specific opponents, than to play roto where half the teams lose interest by august and the winner is often determined by early september, a month before the season ends. I know thats not ALWAYS the case, but it happens often enough for me to not to want to invest much time into those leagues.

If I played for any significant amount of money Im sure I would be happier putting more time into roto, but as it is none of my leagues pay out the winner more than $200, so its mostly about having fun, enjoyig baseball, and bragging
bayside
Major League Manager
Major League Manager


Posts: 1344
Joined: 14 Jul 2011
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: WHOOOOOS got it better than us?

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby West » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:39 pm

I hear that but I'll take roto any day. I'm a purist so that's me. Luckily I'm the commish of my roto league so I routinely kick out people who bail on the league in August. That pisses me off more than anything. I keep the number of leagues I play in to three or less for the simple reason that I will then play the crap out of the league no matter how poorly my team is performing.

People who bail on their teams are worthless. Play it 110% or don't play at all.

H2H is fun but I prefer to play a format where the best team wins.
West
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1519
(Past Year: 85)
Joined: 28 Feb 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby NikkiSixx » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:48 pm

I dont play head to head but I can only imagine punting stolen bases would work, and loading your team up with pure hitters.
NikkiSixx
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Response TeamPick 3 Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 2587
(Past Year: 432)
Joined: 26 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 1st place!

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby kab21 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:17 pm

NikkiSixx wrote:I dont play head to head but I can only imagine punting stolen bases would work, and loading your team up with pure hitters.


That's what I do. The only problem is that a lot of teams do this so it's not as big of an advantage as you think.
kab21
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe Ranker
Posts: 5340
(Past Year: 162)
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Punting HRs and RBIs, can it work?

Postby ramble2 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:21 pm

If you try this strategy, it's probably worth reading through this thread from last season. gravenewworld tried a steals-focused strategy in H2H and won his league.

I'll repeat what I said last year: pick a strategy (or lack of one) that you enjoy playing. It's about having fun. You can make a steals based strategy work, and if you enjoy cutting against the grain a little, then go for it.
"The game has a cleanness. If you do a good job, the numbers say so. You don't have to ask anyone or play politics. You don't have to wait for the reviews." - Sandy Koufax
ramble2
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe Ranker
Posts: 2952
(Past Year: 5)
Joined: 27 Feb 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Salt Lake City

PreviousNext

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact