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by **dandedic9** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:38 am

I am in an 8 team keeper AL only league. We base our our reentry portion off of points of which I have the lead and first crack at getting Pujols/Fielder. (We keep 17 players and 4 reserves.)

My team:
P-Jered Weaver(23-6)
P-Ricky Romero(17-9)
P-Jon Lester-B(13-11)
P-C.J. Wilson-B(14-18)
P-Ubaldo Jimenez(2-0)
P-Sergio Santos(4-2)
P-Andrew Bailey(3-1)
1B/ C-Carlos Santana
C-Salvador Perez
1B-Adrian Gonzalez-B
OF/2B-Ben Zobrist
3B-Adrian Beltre-A
SS-Erick Aybar
OF-B.J. Upton
OF-Nelson Cruz
OF-Carl Crawford-A
OF/1B/2B-Howie Kendrick
RES:P-AJ Cole
RES:P-Matt Moore(17)
RES:C-Ryan Lavarnway(22)
RES:SS-Hak-Ju Lee(26)

His team:
P-Justin Verlander-A(22-9)
P-David Price(14-15)
P-Clay Buchholz(8-5)
P-Ivan Nova(4-4)
P-Rick Porcello(5-4)
P-Jose Valverde-B(10-5)
C-Alex Avila
1B/ C-Joe Mauer-A
1B-Miguel Cabrera-A
1B-Adam Lind
2B-Robinson Cano-B
SS-Derek Jeter-A
3B-Danny Valencia
OF-Curtis Granderson-B
OF-Brennan Boesch
OF-Desmond Jennings
OF-Delmon Young
RES:Wil Myers
RES:Jarrod Parker
RES:Jacob Turner
RES:Tim Beckham

His proposal initially was to have me use almost all of points to guarantee getting Pujols, then trading him Pujols and CJ Wilson for M.Cabrera and J.Verlander. I immediately responded that I would do this. His follow up email asked if I would be willing to add Beltre, since Cabrera will qualify at 3B soon or he could subsitute Granderson for Cabrera in the deal. Which would make the deal Granderson and Verlander for Pujols and Wilson. I am not a big fan of Granderson, since he has been inconsistent in his career. I want Cabrera without giving up Beltre. I am looking for some counter advice.

We start 9 players with the last being a DH, so I can play Agon, Pujols/Fielder, and Beltre in my lineup. We start 5 pitchers each week and use 3 RP.

Do I hold my ground and offer Pujols and Wilson for Cabrera and Verlander? (Steal for me)
Do I include Beltre if he includes Jennings? Pujols, Wilson, and Beltre for Cabrera, Verlander and Jennings.

I could bag the deal, not risk all of my points on Pujols and just be happy having Fielder, which would allow me to fill in the OF considering Crawford will miss some time. I love the thought of Verlander, but he is coming off of a lot of innings pitched last year, so I expect a regression. Any advice or any alternatives would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance - This site has really helped me with a lot of my trade dilemmas.

Dan

by **silverZ** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:55 am

Do I hold my ground and offer Pujols and Wilson for Cabrera and Verlander? (Steal for me)
Do I include Beltre if he includes Jennings? Pujols, Wilson, and Beltre for Cabrera, Verlander and Jennings.

Either trade is a win for you I think.

Pujols = Mcab (thought I would rather have MCab)
Wilson < Verlander (not even close)
Beltre = Jennings (because it's a keeper league)

by **dandedic9** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:35 am

Thanks for the repsonse. Would you trade Pujols and Wilson for Verlander and Granderson?

by **mpieco** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:38 am

If possible, I love the Pujols/Wilson for Verlander/Cabrera deal. I'd take the latter pair easily.

It seems as though the other owner is realizing that the deal is a little too good for you and that's why he's looking for alternatives. Granderson in place of Cabrera is actually not AWFUL, but obviously not as good as the original.

I would see about making it a 6 player deal where the perceived value is on his side. It's legitimate that he'd want a 3B back, so I'd throw Beltre in from your side. I don't think asking for Jennings back is THAT crazy, but be prepared to see him not accept it.

Or...as you said at the end--you could just stay right where you are. Wilson could perform better than I think...Verlander might have a regression...Miggy might hurt himself trying to play third. You never know. But I still think I'd try to get those 2 from him somehow.

by **MaudDib** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:49 am

dandedic9 wrote:Thanks for the repsonse. Would you trade Pujols and Wilson for Verlander and Granderson?

The first deal is the only one I like. I would rather have Beltre over Jennnings. The above deal isn't bad but I want the best player in the deal coming my way instead of giving him up. So I would keep Pujols here. I would back off the trade and see if he comes back around. He offered you one deal and it is kind of a douche move to back out.

by **dandedic9** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:15 pm

I am feeling like I agree with this line of thinking. 3B is so thin and Cabrera at 3B scares me.(He needs 12 games there before he qualifies and I fear Detroit will realize that he is not a 3B anymore) I really like Verlander, but Wilson isn't so shabby. I think he is realizing that he made too good of an offer and is trying to backpedal. I think I will stand my ground on the original trade or no deal.