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Postby canibus » Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:19 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
wow. Im still drafting Marte ahead of a lot of "closers".

I think hes gonna be huge for roto leagues - vulturing wins and saves all yr with sick %s and k/9.


No doubt, Cornbread.
Me too. I like(d) Donnelly for the same reasons, except now he's kind of a wait and see with his shnoz(sp?) probs.
Marte has the added bonus of likely taking over Koch's job, at least that's what many seem to think.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:25 pm

Worrell doesn't have a great K/9 or great ratio's, like a lot of holds guys do. For that reason I definately wouldn't call him elite. He was better in 2002 than he was last year but nobody considered him a top RP back in 2002. Why now? He won't be getting saves, he's just another mediocre fantasy relief pitcher. There are tons of better options.
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Postby Ry-Guy » Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:28 pm

Only way Worrell has value again is if Billy Wagner goes down for a long time. Even then, I'm not sure Philly would turn to Worrell for closer duties. I don't expect Worrell to get drafted in most leagues unless you are in a crazy league that counts holds.
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Postby Guest » Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:41 pm

LBJackal wrote:Worrell doesn't have a great K/9 or great ratio's, like a lot of holds guys do. For that reason I definately wouldn't call him elite. He was better in 2002 than he was last year but nobody considered him a top RP back in 2002. Why now? He won't be getting saves, he's just another mediocre fantasy relief pitcher. There are tons of better options.


would you take cormier over worrell? who'll see more opps?
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Postby ike301 » Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:42 pm

LBJackal wrote:Worrell doesn't have a great K/9 or great ratio's, like a lot of holds guys do. For that reason I definately wouldn't call him elite. He was better in 2002 than he was last year but nobody considered him a top RP back in 2002. Why now? He won't be getting saves, he's just another mediocre fantasy relief pitcher. There are tons of better options.


would you take cormier over worrell? who'll see more opps?
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Postby oulevon » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:23 pm

Quantrill is a great middle reliever for holds. He's averaged 31.5 holds a season with a 2.23 era over the past couple years. His strikeout rate isn't outstanding, but the era and amount of holds he'll probably get in New York make him one of the better middle relievers in a holds league.
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:08 pm

Quantrill had all those holds as LA's primary setup man for Eric Gagne. Now he's sharing setup duties with Flash Gordon. If they use Quantrill as their 8th inning guy all the time, he'll still get the saves, but Gordon is pretty good and I wouldn't count him out.
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Postby oulevon » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:19 pm

LBJackal wrote:Quantrill had all those holds as LA's primary setup man for Eric Gagne. Now he's sharing setup duties with Flash Gordon. If they use Quantrill as their 8th inning guy all the time, he'll still get the saves, but Gordon is pretty good and I wouldn't count him out.


That's not exactly true. Quantrill had 28 holds last year. Tom Martin also had 28 holds last year, so I don't think you can call him Gagne's primary setup man. He also had 27 one year in Toronto. Look at Houston, Dotel had 33 and Lidge had 28 holds last year. I think the key is that several holds can be registered in a game, while only 1 save can be.
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:21 pm

Tom Martin is a lefty specialist, which is why he got all those holds. A lot of 1 inning outings. Quantrill was the setup man.
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