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canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:58 pm

Why is his value down so much this year. Is it because he is in MR not closing? If so, does he have good value as far as getting holds?

Thanks.
Looking at his save totals last year I can't figure it out.

by **KolbSaves** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:00 pm

Yep, he'll be holding in Philly this year.

by **Zito is God** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:03 pm

Not the closer anymore but if you want Holds hes one of the best.

canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:04 pm

ah, cool.
Would you rank him just under guys like Gordon/Quantrill, Marte, Donnelly(when healthy)?

Since we're talking about MR, what's the deal with Gordon/Quantrill? Do they have equal value or is one more valuable than the other in a holds league?

by **LBJackal** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:10 pm

Yeah he should be good for some holds, but not even close to the best. I think people are shying away from him because he doesn't get a lot of K's, and doesn't have a great ERA or WHIP. He had saves last year, which was great, but this year he's a small fish in a big pond, since so many guy get holds and a lot of them also give you K's and good ratios as well. And unlike other holds guys, he ahs no shot at becoming the closer. Top RP's like K-Rod, Marte, Riske (until recently), Valverde, Lidge, and Hawkins have a shot, or in Riske's case had a shot at becoming his team's closer. Which would greatly increase their value, even in leagues counting holds.

by **Zito is God** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:10 pm

I would definetly take him over Quantrill and Marte (assuming he doesn't get the closing job) and maybe Gordon, depending on how he pitches, I am not sold on Gordon doing well in NY.

canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:23 pm

Zito is God wrote:I would definetly take him over Quantrill and Marte (assuming he doesn't get the closing job) and maybe Gordon, depending on how he pitches, I am not sold on Gordon doing well in NY.

What? Marte last year had 9+ k/IP and a 8:1 k/bb ratio!!!!
How do you rate Worrell over him?

by **LBJackal** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:36 pm

Marte is definately much better than Worrell.

by **Cornbread Maxwell** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:40 pm

Zito is God wrote:I would definetly take him over Quantrill and Marte (assuming he doesn't get the closing job) and maybe Gordon, depending on how he pitches, I am not sold on Gordon doing well in NY.

wow. Im still drafting Marte ahead of a lot of "closers".

I think hes gonna be huge for roto leagues - vulturing wins and saves all yr with sick %s and k/9.

by **jbones733** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:17 pm

Guillen came out & said Marte will pitch in thr 9th (saves) in certain situations like against lefties

As for Worrell i think he is one of the premier set up men

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