I am trying to avoid problems before they happen. Please take a look at our scoring system. I have the most concern about the pitching. I am trying to decide if 7 is the correct number of pitchers and the max amount of starts per week. The scoring system is intended to reward power hitters and power pitching. I have used this scoring system for years but with 4 SP and 2 RP. I am trying to figure out how changing from 4 SP and 2 RP to just 7 P will change the league. We did not have a max start per week instead we took each SP best start for the week.
14 Teams - H2H Points, weekly line-ups
Line-ups: C, 1b, 2b, 3b, ss, 3 OF, UT 7 Pitchers (can be 7 SP, 7 RP or any combo) Right now the maximum starts is set to 7. 7 player bench
Hitting: Single = 1 Double = 2 Triple = 3 HR = 4 RBI = 3 Run = 2 Walk = 1 SB =2
Pitching: Win =10 QS= 5 Save= 10 IP= 3 (1 per out) Hit Allowed = -1 Walk -1 K = 3 Holds = 5 Earned Runs = -3
I dont feel like doing the math but you can easily test it yourself by taking say.. the top 5 hitters and top 5 pitchers from last year and seeing how many points they would accumulate based on your system. You can also throw in a speed demon, a reliever with a lot of vulture wins, or a hot shot closer and see how it all adds up.
Hitting seems good. You are definitely devaluing speed guys. By my rough count David Ortiz would be a $20-$25 player last year under this system, and Jose Reyes would be worth mid-teens, $15-$17 maybe.
Pitching is also rewarding high-K guys. Cahill, Worley, Buehrle, Baker types would be worth a couple bucks at most. I don't think it'll change the league much to go 7 P versus some kind of SP/RP split. The relievers stack up about right, in fact many are undervalued. Papelbon/Marmol/Bell were only $10-$12 guys with that points setup, and you'd have to be a really good MR to be rosterable here.
I like how you emphasize events a player has the most control over, power and Ks, but I find it odd that an RBI is so heavily valued. As a consequence, being an average hitter on a high scoring team is much more valuable than being an average hitter on a lower scoring team. I also find it interesting that a save is worth as many points as a win, so a good closer is worth more than a low strikeout pitcher, as if you are punishing a pitcher that pitches to his defense, if such a thing really exists.
I have used this scoring system for the last 10 years. It was developed by a couple guys from northern MN/Fargo, ND. I like the scoring system and am starting my own league with it with a couple changes.
1) Adding holds - 5 pts - shouldn't have too much of an impact, makes a few middle relievers rosterable instead of none 2) Change Wins from 15 to 10 AND add Quality Starts for 5 points - shouldn't change much, this makes sure a relief win is worth less than a starting pitcher win 3.) Change SP from only taking their best start each week to allowing up to 7 starts per week. This increases the number of starts from 4 (old league rules) to potentially 7. This is the big one. SP get the most points in the league, I starting to feel like 7 P might make the league too SP heavy. A limit of 6 Starts per week might help balance the hitting and pitching.
Here are the top 20 scorers from last year.
Matt Kemp, LAD OF 1115 Curtis Granderson, NYY OF 1086 Jacoby Ellsbury, Bos OF 1047 Ryan Braun, Mil OF 1011 Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 1B 988 Miguel Cabrera, Det 1B 984 Jose Bautista, Tor 3B, OF 981 Prince Fielder, Det 1B 981 Joey Votto, Cin 1B 955 Robinson Cano, NYY 2B 948 Ian Kinsler, Tex 2B 918 Dustin Pedroia, Bos 2B 916 Albert Pujols, LAA 1B 899 Mark Teixeira, NYY 1B 888 Justin Upton, Ari OF 888 Alex Gordon, KC OF 871 Ben Zobrist, TB 2B, OF 862 Ryan Howard, Phi 1B DTD 859 Michael Young, Tex 1B, 3B, DH 852 Melky Cabrera, SF OF 849
Top SP Justin Verlander Det SP 1431 Clayton Kershaw, LAD SP 1354 Cliff Lee, Phi SP 1242 Roy Halladay, Phi SP 1220 James Shields, TB SP 1169 CC Sabathia, NYY SP 1159 Jered Weaver, LAA SP 1144 Ian Kennedy, Ari SP 1121 Tim Lincecum, SF SP 1046 C.J. Wilson, LAA SP 1044 Dan Haren, LAA SP 1035 Cole Hamels, Phi SP DTD 1026 Felix Hernandez, Sea SP 1022 Yovani Gallardo, Mil SP 1003 David Price, TB SP 991 Gio Gonzalez, Wsh SP 961 Ricky Romero, Tor SP 959 Zack Greinke, Mil SP 933 Matt Cain, SF SP 929
RP Craig Kimbrel, Atl RP 998 John Axford, Mil RP 837 Drew Storen, Wsh RP 822 Jose Valverde, Det RP 804 J.J. Putz, Ari RP 742 Mariano Rivera, NYY RP 725 Jonathan Papelbon, Phi RP 701 Heath Bell, Mia RP 693 Joel Hanrahan, Pit RP 690 Carlos Marmol, ChC RP 688 Sergio Santos, Tor RP 681 Francisco Cordero, Tor RP 652 Jordan Walden, LAA RP 642 Brian Wilson, SF RP DTD 639 Fernando Salas, StL RP 637 Ryan Madson, Cin RP 630 Francisco Rodriguez, Mil RP 616 Brandon League, Sea RP 581 Mark Melancon, Bos RP 581 Chris Perez, Cle RP 578 Neftali Feliz, Tex RP 570
dfa wrote:I like how you emphasize events a player has the most control over, power and Ks, but I find it odd that an RBI is so heavily valued. As a consequence, being an average hitter on a high scoring team is much more valuable than being an average hitter on a lower scoring team. I also find it interesting that a save is worth as many points as a win, so a good closer is worth more than a low strikeout pitcher, as if you are punishing a pitcher that pitches to his defense, if such a thing really exists.
Your scoring system does look like fun though!
I agree with about the RBIs. I have looked into decreasing their value to 2 points, however a simultaneous decrease would be needed with the pitchers. Otherwise pitchers would score a ton more points that hitters. I don't see an obvious choice, reducing K's or IP to 2 hurts SP too much IMO.
I didn't look at the ins and outs of hitting much. I agree the 3 points for RBI looks odd when you only get 4 points for a HR. So a guy that has a lot of RBI chances can really score more points for you than a better hitter that doesn't get quite as lucky or is on a worse team. If you move that down to 2 points, so that it's even with runs, does that throw the pitchers/hitters off balance? If so maybe make runs and rbi each worth 2.5 points since both take teammates to drive in or to drive you in (except for the HR)? Like I said I didn't look at how it actually worked out using last years stats or anything. I might also be tempted to add in -1 pts for Ks, again depending on how it would balance hitter scoring with pitchers you may or may not.
I do really like how the scoring is set up for pitching. As is mentioned above you reward guys for things they can control and how valuable they are to a team. It does push the Fisters and Hellicksons of the world down a bit, but Fister (last year's #30 SP) is valued between Storen (RP#4) and Putz (RP#5) using last year's stats. I think that's definitely not overvaluing closers, as normally happens in leagues where W and Sv are both the same amount of points.
Interesting having the "max starts per week" sitting at 7 for this type of format. That will either be a neat strategy-inducing rule or will suck and people will complain about it year 'round. I might be tempted to bump it up to 8 at least.
Interesting having the "max starts per week" sitting at 7 for this type of format. That will either be a neat strategy-inducing rule or will suck and people will complain about it year 'round. I might be tempted to bump it up to 8 at least.
The max starts per week is the main variable I am trying to nail down. I want to keep the number low because I want to limit pitcher streaming and fence posting. Setting the max starts per week at 7 really means an owner could get to 12 starts in a week if they used 6 SP and all had 2 starts starting on the same day of the week. This would be hard to do, but getting to 10 starts might be possible if a team loaded its bench with SP.
If the max starts per week was 8 then owners could conceivably get to 14 starts and easily get to 10 consistently. In this scenario, the pitching would dwarf the hitting and upset the balance of the scoring.
I started a system in my league very similar to this last year. In my opinion RBI's are over valued. Another thing I would think about on pitching is actually making RP positions. Like 5 SP and 2 RP. Here is what we are trying this year to fix some of the issue's other people pointed out. And I would like to invite anyone to give their input on my scoring system as well.
Positions: C, C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CF, LF, RF, OF, OF, UT 6 SP, 3 RP
Hitting 1pt single 2pt double 3pt triple 4pt HR 1pt BB 1pt Run 1pt RBI 2pt SB -1pt CS -1pt SO
Pitching 1.5pt IP 1pt K's 10pt W -5 L 7pt Sv -2 ER -1 Hit 5pt SHO 5pt CG -5 BS -1 BB 5pt Hold
We went with 1.5pt for innings pitched instead of quality starts. But it is still something I am considering and making IP just 1 pt. That's the beauty of Fantasy Baseball, you can tinker, experiment and try new things. After this season we will probably make a few more adjustments, but we are getting close to a long term scoring system.
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by hyer7 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:01 pm 
