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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby West » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:10 pm

Parnell for awhile longer:


Frank Francisco has been shut down due to a recurrence of a left oblique injury.
Francisco was getting close to a rehab assignment this week, but Mets manager Terry Collins said "he just didn't feel right." Bobby Parnell will continue to close during his absence and is probably the superior option at this point, anyway.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:40 pm

so does this thread get locked and a new one started? or title change? (1ST HALF). I'm just saying.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby bigh0rt » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:08 pm

SpecialFNK wrote:so does this thread get locked and a new one started? or title change? (1ST HALF). I'm just saying.
Typically it is locked and a new thread is created and stickied. I imagine we'll get one soon enough.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby bayside » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:34 pm

Downs with a spectacular blown save in taking the loss tonight.
6 batters faced, 2 H, 2 BB, 4 ER

does this affect his value or save opps going forward?
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby NZ Eff » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:50 pm

bayside wrote:Downs with a spectacular blown save in taking the loss tonight.
6 batters faced, 2 H, 2 BB, 4 ER

does this affect his value or save opps going forward?


I doubt it. He has been spectacular this season and will continue to set Frieri up in the 8th with the occasional save if match-ups dictate.

I've also got to say that Craig Kimbrel is the most dominant closer in the game period. Possibly has been since the beginning of 2011.
No one is close to this guy. He hasn't walked anyone since May 15. Just nasty.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:09 am

ouch for Downs.
is this where I try and defend Downs? okay. so technically he gets a blown save, but it wasn't really a save opportunity since it was the 8th.
can't really say Downs should not have been in the game. it was a 5-2 Angels lead in the 8th and Downs isn't just a lefty specialist. due up was RH Jeter, LH Granderson, SW Teixeira who hits LHP better.
2 hits and 2 walks, with the big damage coming off the HR from Teixeira. 3 runs scored while Downs was in the game, and then one of his runners on base scored after he left.
I'm not really defending Downs, this was bad. but lets not pretend the other guy has a clean inning every time he pitches. I'm just saying.

tonight was bad though, and this could be something that leads to the other guy establishing himself more as the guy.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:19 am

SpecialFNK wrote:ouch for Downs.
is this where I try and defend Downs? okay. so technically he gets a blown save, but it wasn't really a save opportunity since it was the 8th.
can't really say Downs should not have been in the game. it was a 5-2 Angels lead in the 8th and Downs isn't just a lefty specialist. due up was RH Jeter, LH Granderson, SW Teixeira who hits LHP better.
2 hits and 2 walks, with the big damage coming off the HR from Teixeira. 3 runs scored while Downs was in the game, and then one of his runners on base scored after he left.
I'm not really defending Downs, this was bad. but lets not pretend the other guy has a clean inning every time he pitches. I'm just saying.

tonight was bad though, and this could be something that leads to the other guy establishing himself more as the guy.


:-? Frieri is the guy. Has been for some time. This makes absolutely no difference to anything.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:36 am

NZ Eff wrote:
SpecialFNK wrote:ouch for Downs.
is this where I try and defend Downs? okay. so technically he gets a blown save, but it wasn't really a save opportunity since it was the 8th.
can't really say Downs should not have been in the game. it was a 5-2 Angels lead in the 8th and Downs isn't just a lefty specialist. due up was RH Jeter, LH Granderson, SW Teixeira who hits LHP better.
2 hits and 2 walks, with the big damage coming off the HR from Teixeira. 3 runs scored while Downs was in the game, and then one of his runners on base scored after he left.
I'm not really defending Downs, this was bad. but lets not pretend the other guy has a clean inning every time he pitches. I'm just saying.

tonight was bad though, and this could be something that leads to the other guy establishing himself more as the guy.


:-? Frieri is the guy. Has been for some time. This makes absolutely no difference to anything.


I could get into some argument/conversation like some of us had going in the specific Angles closer thread that is now locked. but it's not really that worth it. I'll just say this. Downs has more saves in July than the other guy. I'm not saying they were in a 50/50 share before tonight, but if the other guy was "the guy" then Downs wouldn't have more saves than him this month. not only more saves, but double as many saves. okay so it's 2-1 so really only 1 more, but I'm just saying, it's still more.
which is why I saw this bad outing tonight could lead Scioscia leaning more towards the other guy than he previously was in this month.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:14 am

are we still using this thread or the new one I see created. oh well, I'll drop this here since it continues from 1st half.
whoever does the write up for rotoworld lately has been saying that Casilla should be replaced in SF by Romo. Casilla got the save tonight.
Romo can into the game in the 8th when the Giants leading 4-1. he got 2 outs in the 8th and then came back out for the 9th with the score 5-1. he got the 1st out but then allowed a hit and a walk. then Casilla came on in a save situation and struck out the last 2 batters for the save.
now tonight rotoworld says this.
Santiago Casilla struck out both batters he faced for a save in a 5-1 game on Friday.
Casilla was returning today after missing last weekend with a blister. He's struggled of late, but he did fine with the pressure off tonight.

he did fine with the pressure off tonight.
yeah he did fine. he IS the closer and will continue to be so going forward.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:15 am

SpecialFNK wrote:I could get into some argument/conversation like some of us had going in the specific Angles closer thread that is now locked. but it's not really that worth it. I'll just say this. Downs has more saves in July than the other guy. I'm not saying they were in a 50/50 share before tonight, but if the other guy was "the guy" then Downs wouldn't have more saves than him this month. not only more saves, but double as many saves. okay so it's 2-1 so really only 1 more, but I'm just saying, it's still more.
which is why I saw this bad outing tonight could lead Scioscia leaning more towards the other guy than he previously was in this month.


So what? Romo has more saves than Casilla in July also. Casilla is the Giants closer.

More importantly, Frieri had 8 saves in June and Downs had 1. Downs set him up each time. Frieri is the Angel's closer. Has been since late May.
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