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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby bayside » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:34 pm

Downs with a spectacular blown save in taking the loss tonight.
6 batters faced, 2 H, 2 BB, 4 ER

does this affect his value or save opps going forward?
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby NZ Eff » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:50 pm

bayside wrote:Downs with a spectacular blown save in taking the loss tonight.
6 batters faced, 2 H, 2 BB, 4 ER

does this affect his value or save opps going forward?


I doubt it. He has been spectacular this season and will continue to set Frieri up in the 8th with the occasional save if match-ups dictate.

I've also got to say that Craig Kimbrel is the most dominant closer in the game period. Possibly has been since the beginning of 2011.
No one is close to this guy. He hasn't walked anyone since May 15. Just nasty.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:09 am

ouch for Downs.
is this where I try and defend Downs? okay. so technically he gets a blown save, but it wasn't really a save opportunity since it was the 8th.
can't really say Downs should not have been in the game. it was a 5-2 Angels lead in the 8th and Downs isn't just a lefty specialist. due up was RH Jeter, LH Granderson, SW Teixeira who hits LHP better.
2 hits and 2 walks, with the big damage coming off the HR from Teixeira. 3 runs scored while Downs was in the game, and then one of his runners on base scored after he left.
I'm not really defending Downs, this was bad. but lets not pretend the other guy has a clean inning every time he pitches. I'm just saying.

tonight was bad though, and this could be something that leads to the other guy establishing himself more as the guy.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:19 am

SpecialFNK wrote:ouch for Downs.
is this where I try and defend Downs? okay. so technically he gets a blown save, but it wasn't really a save opportunity since it was the 8th.
can't really say Downs should not have been in the game. it was a 5-2 Angels lead in the 8th and Downs isn't just a lefty specialist. due up was RH Jeter, LH Granderson, SW Teixeira who hits LHP better.
2 hits and 2 walks, with the big damage coming off the HR from Teixeira. 3 runs scored while Downs was in the game, and then one of his runners on base scored after he left.
I'm not really defending Downs, this was bad. but lets not pretend the other guy has a clean inning every time he pitches. I'm just saying.

tonight was bad though, and this could be something that leads to the other guy establishing himself more as the guy.


:-? Frieri is the guy. Has been for some time. This makes absolutely no difference to anything.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:36 am

NZ Eff wrote:
SpecialFNK wrote:ouch for Downs.
is this where I try and defend Downs? okay. so technically he gets a blown save, but it wasn't really a save opportunity since it was the 8th.
can't really say Downs should not have been in the game. it was a 5-2 Angels lead in the 8th and Downs isn't just a lefty specialist. due up was RH Jeter, LH Granderson, SW Teixeira who hits LHP better.
2 hits and 2 walks, with the big damage coming off the HR from Teixeira. 3 runs scored while Downs was in the game, and then one of his runners on base scored after he left.
I'm not really defending Downs, this was bad. but lets not pretend the other guy has a clean inning every time he pitches. I'm just saying.

tonight was bad though, and this could be something that leads to the other guy establishing himself more as the guy.


:-? Frieri is the guy. Has been for some time. This makes absolutely no difference to anything.


I could get into some argument/conversation like some of us had going in the specific Angles closer thread that is now locked. but it's not really that worth it. I'll just say this. Downs has more saves in July than the other guy. I'm not saying they were in a 50/50 share before tonight, but if the other guy was "the guy" then Downs wouldn't have more saves than him this month. not only more saves, but double as many saves. okay so it's 2-1 so really only 1 more, but I'm just saying, it's still more.
which is why I saw this bad outing tonight could lead Scioscia leaning more towards the other guy than he previously was in this month.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:14 am

are we still using this thread or the new one I see created. oh well, I'll drop this here since it continues from 1st half.
whoever does the write up for rotoworld lately has been saying that Casilla should be replaced in SF by Romo. Casilla got the save tonight.
Romo can into the game in the 8th when the Giants leading 4-1. he got 2 outs in the 8th and then came back out for the 9th with the score 5-1. he got the 1st out but then allowed a hit and a walk. then Casilla came on in a save situation and struck out the last 2 batters for the save.
now tonight rotoworld says this.
Santiago Casilla struck out both batters he faced for a save in a 5-1 game on Friday.
Casilla was returning today after missing last weekend with a blister. He's struggled of late, but he did fine with the pressure off tonight.

he did fine with the pressure off tonight.
yeah he did fine. he IS the closer and will continue to be so going forward.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby NZ Eff » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:15 am

SpecialFNK wrote:I could get into some argument/conversation like some of us had going in the specific Angles closer thread that is now locked. but it's not really that worth it. I'll just say this. Downs has more saves in July than the other guy. I'm not saying they were in a 50/50 share before tonight, but if the other guy was "the guy" then Downs wouldn't have more saves than him this month. not only more saves, but double as many saves. okay so it's 2-1 so really only 1 more, but I'm just saying, it's still more.
which is why I saw this bad outing tonight could lead Scioscia leaning more towards the other guy than he previously was in this month.


So what? Romo has more saves than Casilla in July also. Casilla is the Giants closer.

More importantly, Frieri had 8 saves in June and Downs had 1. Downs set him up each time. Frieri is the Angel's closer. Has been since late May.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:28 am

Casilla was injured last weekend with a blister and wasn't available. the same as Downs was injured in June from the 10th to the 19th where he was unavailable.
the last save that Downs got could have just as easily been Frieri. both of them had pitched on the same say before that. neither one of them had to be rested for any specific reason. yet it was Downs who came in for that save. Scioscia doesn't have just 1 guy much like most other teams. he had 2 guys who can get the job done. well that was the case going into tonight. we'll have to see how this effects anything.
since coming back from an injury on he 19th Downs has 2 saves. in that same time period Frieri has 4 saves. I would say Frieri defenitely is the lead closer, but I don't think this was a situation where your closer got the saves and the next in line only got saves when the closer wasn't available. Downs has gotten saves in games where Frieri was also available.
I repeat, that WAS the situation going into tonight.
I have no doubt if Frieri was the only closer that he could be one of the better closers in the league, but Scioscia has used them both as we have seen. maybe that continues, maybe it changes and Frieri does become the only one closing out games.

EDIT: but I know people don't like me arguing about this. even though I'm only going by what Scioscia has been doing.
so maybe I should just stop and let things play out.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby Syfo-Dyas » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:06 am

SpecialFNK wrote:are we still using this thread or the new one I see created. oh well, I'll drop this here since it continues from 1st half.
whoever does the write up for rotoworld lately has been saying that Casilla should be replaced in SF by Romo.


Do not trust that crap.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby Syfo-Dyas » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:07 am

NZ Eff wrote:
:-? Frieri is the guy. Has been for some time. This makes absolutely no difference to anything.

here we go again.
for christ's sake, stop.


BTW in that situation, Scioscia made a mistake.
Frieri should have pitched the 8th.
Jeter is a righty and you want to get the first out.
Granderson is a lefty but he hits lefties slightly better this year
Teixeira is hot right now and he hits lefties much better.
Downs should have pitched the 9th.
A-Rod is the least dangerous right now.
Cano destroys righties, while sucks vs lefties.
Swisher is way much better vs righties.
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