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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby wazzeus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:14 pm

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Havok1517 wrote:I really think Rex Brothers should be added to any team in need of saves. He could also have the job for quite some time after.


Good call. I've had him in my lineup for the past month. The kid is a stud. Even without the saves he's a solid guy to own for ratio help, especially in low IP limit leagues.


The 1.66 WHIP isn't going to help too many owners, but I agree he's the guy to own if Betancourt goes.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby silverZ » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:17 pm

wazzeus wrote:
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Havok1517 wrote:I really think Rex Brothers should be added to any team in need of saves. He could also have the job for quite some time after.


Good call. I've had him in my lineup for the past month. The kid is a stud. Even without the saves he's a solid guy to own for ratio help, especially in low IP limit leagues.


The 1.66 WHIP isn't going to help too many owners, but I agree he's the guy to own if Betancourt goes.


Wow. I didn't notice his WHIP was so bad over the season. That's almost Coco Cordero level. The K's and ERA must have blinded me. I guess I got lucky since I picked him up.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:20 pm

wazzeus wrote:
silverZ wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:I really think Rex Brothers should be added to any team in need of saves. He could also have the job for quite some time after.


Good call. I've had him in my lineup for the past month. The kid is a stud. Even without the saves he's a solid guy to own for ratio help, especially in low IP limit leagues.


The 1.66 WHIP isn't going to help too many owners, but I agree he's the guy to own if Betancourt goes.
Looking at WHIP over 32 innings is silly. The guy has been an absolute monster since June. His BB/9 in June was 1.98, and his WHIP was 0.66, which is going to be the definitive component in his WHIP. I'll take a K/9 over 12 all day. Guy has great stuff. Just need to continue to limit the walks.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby Skin Blues » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:52 pm

It's very unlikely Brothers sees any save chances this season. I can't see him getting the job over Belisle. Belisle has simply been the better of the two. Brothers also has his numbers artificially better by facing so many lefties, which will be vice versa if he was asked to close games. The Ks are nice, sure, but he walks 4.5 batters per 9 and allows way too many baserunners. Betancourt also extended his contract for next season (and an option for 2014), so chances aren't that great that he'll be traded anyway.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby wazzeus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:57 pm

bigh0rt wrote:Looking at WHIP over 32 innings is silly. The guy has been an absolute monster since June. His BB/9 in June was 1.98, and his WHIP was 0.66, which is going to be the definitive component in his WHIP.


K/9 will never be an issue with the guy, but WHIP surely will be. He was at 1.30 over a larger major league sample size last year (40.2 innings), with an even better K rate. Even if we give him a rookie pass and assume April and his especially horrendous May 2012 are a "sophomore slump," June is the career outlier. (His July WHIP is 3.00, albeit over the admittedly miniscule sample size of three innings.) I'm not expecting a WHIP lower than 1.25 over the course of a season, and I consider that his ceiling as long as he's in Colorado.

Of course, if the K/9 is elite, the ERA is reasonable and he's piling up saves, no one will much care.

His H/9 does seem a bit inflated this year, but the BB/9 numbers are right in line with what he did in the minors (and as a rookie), as is the K rate.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby West » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:44 pm

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IndyPostman wrote:Does anyone care to rank speculative adds for the second half? We've been talking about Holland and Oviedo lately; anyone else?


Gregerson/Thayer in SD and Wilton Lopez in Houston (just got off the DL). I also think that if the Mets don't make a move at the deadline for some relief help that Parnell will emerge as the guy. But it seems likely that the Mets trade for someone.


You don't see Francisco getting the job back once he comes off the DL?


According to the coaches Francisco is slated to get his job back but he is so inconsistent that it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him lose the job or get injured again. If this does happen I think the scenario will be the Mets trading for a Betancourt/Street/Broxton/Myers type, but we shall see. Parnell is considered the COTF so they may give him a shot.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby Skin Blues » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:43 am

Parnell was the COTF last year too. But they went to an underwhelming Isringhausen instead, after trading K-Rod.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby converge241 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:29 am

Sorry of someone already asked and I missed - but will there be a new 2nd half thread?
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby Havok1517 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:05 am

converge241 wrote:Sorry of someone already asked and I missed - but will there be a new 2nd half thread?


Yes, I will updating and posting probably sometime tonight.
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Re: 2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

Postby Havok1517 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:28 am

Skin Blues wrote:It's very unlikely Brothers sees any save chances this season. I can't see him getting the job over Belisle. Belisle has simply been the better of the two. Brothers also has his numbers artificially better by facing so many lefties, which will be vice versa if he was asked to close games. The Ks are nice, sure, but he walks 4.5 batters per 9 and allows way too many baserunners. Betancourt also extended his contract for next season (and an option for 2014), so chances aren't that great that he'll be traded anyway.


Having watched Belisle pitch in recent years, I believe the Rockies are lucky to be getting this kind of production from him. Belisle is not a closer and removing him from a current position of success would be unfortunate. I think Brothers is the best arm in that pen and if he doesn't close right away he is still the COTF for that team, which makes him the better investment.
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