2012 CLOSERS THREAD (1ST HALF)

[Maris09]

This is getting rediculous. Most of us come to this site for information and not to follow this petty bickering.

As my previous post stated two days ago (likely lost amongst this downs/frieri drama)...

Does Bailey get the closers role back in Boston or does Aceves hold onto the job? Word on ETA for Bailey?

Any actual closers information related to this question or any other closer is much appreciate.

Don't get ya panites in a bunch guy. And nobody knows definitively what's going to happen in Boston. Bailey is forever injury prone, so who knows when he gets back, if he gets back, or if he's able to stay back.
Just as Bailey was ramping up his throwing last week, they had to shut him down due to what they call normal discomfort in his arm (not the thumb injury). Right now Aceves is holding down the role pretty admirably, so we could see anything from him keeping the job, to Bailey coming back and then losing the role, to Bailey not coming back at all.

That Boston situation is a complete wait and see on about 5 different levels.
Now then, who is this Frieri fellow. I hear he's electric.

[garf112]

people I assume come here for advice on closers. there could be someone who doesn't really know a whole lot and they want advice. so what advice do you give to someone who is considering trading for Frieri? would you trade the same player for Kenley Jansen as you would for Ernesto Frieri? because I sure as hell would not. Jansen is more likely to continue to be dominating all season and at this point has all the numbers to suggest that.
I'm saying Frieri is not going to continue to be this good, so don't put him on that level. if someone gives up this level to trade for Fieri they are going to be wishing they hadn't overpayed.

Stop it, dude. You are embarrassing yourself.

In other news, I'd say bailey gets the closer role back at some point.

Also, just a complete hunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if Parnell takes the mets job and runs with it for the rest of the year.

[Maris09]

people I assume come here for advice on closers. there could be someone who doesn't really know a whole lot and they want advice. so what advice do you give to someone who is considering trading for Frieri?

My god are you still talking? Nobody asked for any Frieri trading advice. Again, you're just grasping at straws here, trying to say something relevant, after being completely incorrect for 3 weeks. Shut it down bro.

[SpecialFNK]

people I assume come here for advice on closers. there could be someone who doesn't really know a whole lot and they want advice. so what advice do you give to someone who is considering trading for Frieri?

My god are you still talking? Nobody asked for any Frieri trading advice. Again, you're just grasping at straws here, trying to say something relevant, after being completely incorrect for 3 weeks. Shut it down bro.

because everyone who reads this thread makes a post, right?
in the other thread someone compared Kenley Jansen to Ernesto Frieri. the comparison was made. I then broke down the numbers showing how they will not be comparable.

EDIT: and the conversation has evolved. it's not about Scott Downs anymore. Downs right now is irrelevant. what I'm talking about right now is what level Ernesto Frieri is on.

[NikkiSixx]

people I assume come here for advice on closers. there could be someone who doesn't really know a whole lot and they want advice. so what advice do you give to someone who is considering trading for Frieri?

My god are you still talking? Nobody asked for any Frieri trading advice. Again, you're just grasping at straws here, trying to say something relevant, after being completely incorrect for 3 weeks. Shut it down bro.

because everyone who reads this thread makes a post, right?
in the other thread someone compared Kenley Jansen to Ernesto Frieri. the comparison was made. I then broke down the numbers showing how they will not be comparable.

EDIT: and the conversation has evolved. it's not about Scott Downs anymore. Downs right now is irrelevant. what I'm talking about right now is what level Ernesto Frieri is on.

Well so far for fantasy purposes the K/9 and the ERA and WHIP are pretty comparable, not to mention they are both closers. This is a FANTASY baseball cafe. In real life I take Jansen all day long, but for fantasy this year Frieri has been right up there with Kimbrel, Chapman, and Jansen IMO.

[wazzeus]

In other news, I'd say bailey gets the closer role back at some point.

A couple of weeks after the All-Star break is the timetable I'm hearing/reading. The BoSox would clearly prefer he be fit to close, as Aceves would be more valuable as a long reliever or spot starter -- his past role.

Also, just a complete hunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if Parnell takes the mets job and runs with it for the rest of the year.

That's the likely scenario, assuming Parnell doesn't wet the bed. He's been known to.

[SpecialFNK]

My god are you still talking? Nobody asked for any Frieri trading advice. Again, you're just grasping at straws here, trying to say something relevant, after being completely incorrect for 3 weeks. Shut it down bro.

because everyone who reads this thread makes a post, right?
in the other thread someone compared Kenley Jansen to Ernesto Frieri. the comparison was made. I then broke down the numbers showing how they will not be comparable.

EDIT: and the conversation has evolved. it's not about Scott Downs anymore. Downs right now is irrelevant. what I'm talking about right now is what level Ernesto Frieri is on.

Well so far for fantasy purposes the K/9 and the ERA and WHIP are pretty comparable, not to mention they are both closers. This is a FANTASY baseball cafe. In real life I take Jansen all day long, but for fantasy this year Frieri has been right up there with Kimbrel, Chapman, and Jansen IMO.

for right now I have to totally agree. to date he is 10 for 10 in save chances and has yet to allow a run while having a high K rate. if you're ranking closers right now he has to be one of the best. but in fantasy baseball that doesn't mean he is someone I would want to trade for based on those numbers.
earlier in the season in a keeper league I traded Paul Konerko along with Tony Campana and Geraldo Parra for Kenley Jansen and Carlos Quentin when he was still on the DL. I have Butler at 1B so I could afford to lose Konerko. would I do the same for Frieri? not a chance.
are there people out there playing fantasy baseball right now who would trade the same player for Frieri as they would Jansen? if people are only looking at yahoo statistics then yes I think there are. but what I'm saying right now is that that would be a mistake.
that is what I'm talking about right now. I have no care for what Scott Downs value is.

[wazzeus]

Well so far for fantasy purposes the K/9 and the ERA and WHIP are pretty comparable, not to mention they are both closers. This is a FANTASY baseball cafe. In real life I take Jansen all day long, but for fantasy this year Frieri has been right up there with Kimbrel, Chapman, and Jansen IMO.

Frieri has been every bit Jansen's equal, but we have to account for factors other than the stat sheet when evaluating their relative values moving forward. Most obviously, save opportunities. The Angels are gaining momentum and winning with regularity nowadays, with no sign of slowing down. They have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball. That should translate to lots of save opps.

The Dodgers, meanwhile, can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag and are in a free fall in the NL West. Until they get some offense back -- Kemp, Ethier, trades, etc. -- it's fair to assume the save opps will be few and far between.

With that in mind, and given the comparable qualities/abilities of Jansen and Frieri, I'd much rather trade for Frieri.

But hey, who asked?

[Maris09]

Downs right now is irrelevant.

Least you finally got that part right.

are there people out there playing fantasy baseball right now who would trade the same player for Frieri as they would Jansen? if people are only looking at yahoo statistics then yes I think there are. but what I'm saying right now is that that would be a mistake.

Ya you said that, over and over. But as we've seen from the Craig/Adams talks, and the Frieri/Downs talks, you're usually wrong. We get it though, you've taken your stance (once again). No need to keep reiterating it over and over and over.

what I'm talking about right now is what level Ernesto Frieri is on.

We get it, you don't think Frieri is the bee's knees. You don't think he's that great, you do think he'll let up a run at some point, and you think Jansen is better.

There, all summed up. No need to say it anymore.

[garf112]

Also, just a complete hunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if Parnell takes the mets job and runs with it for the rest of the year.

That's the likely scenario, assuming Parnell doesn't wet the bed. He's been known to.

He's gotten the role once at the end of last season and didn't pitch extremely well. The above is a bit misleading. He reminds me a ton of Heath Bell. Definitely has the talent. He is now starting to pitch with the confidence that a closer needs. I'm just glad the Mets didn't trade him like they would have in the past.