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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:43 pm

I'm not dead yet.

First shot, based primarily on Ks, WHIP and ERA projections, with minimal adjustments for opportunities for holds and saves. Tell me who I am missing, who's ranked too high or low, etc.

Tier 1
Sergio Romo
Kenley Jansen
Tyler Clippard
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Tier 2
Jonny Venters
Joaquin Benoit
David Robertson
Sean Marshall
Eric O'Flaherty
Scott Downs
Rafael Soriano
Joel Peralta
Jim Johnson
Greg Holland
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Tier 3
Koji Uehara
Mike Adams
Vinnie Pestano
Antonio Bastardo
Al Alburquerque
Joel Carreno
Aroldis Chapman
Fernando Salas
Edward Mujica
Octavio Dotel
Kameron Loe
Francisco Rodriguez
Fautino De Los Santos
Darren Oliver
Darren O'Day
Josh Lindblom
Jose Veras
Jesse Crain
Tony Sipp
David Hernandez
Kerry Wood
Bill Bray
Matt Reynolds
Marc Rzepczynski
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Tier 4
Eduardo Sanchez
Randy Choate
Rex Brothers
Jared Hughes
Tim Dillard
Yoshinori Tateyama
Lance Lynn
Matt Belisle
Takashi Saito
Ramon Ramirez
Brandon Kintzl
Troy Patton
Mark Melancon
Casey Janssen
Ernesto Frieri
Luke Gregerson
Joe Smith
Rich Thompson
Francisco Cordero
Alfredo Aceves
Mike Dunn
Mike Gonzalez
Hong-Chih Kuo
Nick Masset
Juan Abreu
Glen Perkins
Chris Resop
Joe Thatcher
Jonathan Broxton
LaTroy Hawkins
Steve Cishek
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Tier 5
Matt Guerrier
Joey Devine
Bobby Parnell
Addison Reed
Brad Lidge
Sean Burnett
Mitchell Boggs
Evan Meek
Jason Isringhausen
Wesley Wright
Jeff Samardzija
Jake McGee
Chad Qualls
Clay Hensley
Arthur Rhodes
Jon Rauch
Fernando Rodriguez
Zach Braddock
Andrew Carpenter
Ryan Franklin
Chris Ray
Brandon Lyon
Fernando Rodney
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Re: Holds

Postby Broncmet724 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:51 pm

Good to see you're not dead
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Re: Holds

Postby J35J » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:03 pm

Broncmet724 wrote:Good to see you're not dead


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Re: Holds

Postby Tavish » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:50 pm

I think Pestano should probably be in Tier 1 with Jansen and Romo. I'm not nearly as high on Clippard.
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Re: Holds

Postby MashinSpuds » Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:04 pm

Love this thread. Thanks once again for the heads up, GtwMA

Note: Ryan Franklin retired from baseball to join the Cardinals' scouting system ... so the only thing he'll be holding is a clipboard.
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Re: Holds

Postby jonboy418 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:23 pm

I always figured that Jansen would be first in line for saves opportunity in LA.
If Guerra falters, which he will, then I can see Jansen closing games by the end of May.
I figured that would be enough to pull him out of the first tier.

But that's what I love about the cafe, figure this out in February instead of the day after the draft.
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Re: Holds

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:34 pm

Thanks for the catch, Spuds.

Is Pestano locked into the 8th inning, Tav? What don't you like about Clippard?

Jonboy, I'm ranking holders not simply on their contribution to holds, but on their overall contribution. That means a guy like Jansen who has a chance to earn saves, too, gains value, even though you may lose his holds.
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Re: Holds

Postby Tavish » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:33 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:Is Pestano locked into the 8th inning, Tav? What don't you like about Clippard?

It should be between Sipp and Pestano. Depending on how much weight you want to put into how secure they are with the 8th inning vs the 7th I could see Pestano being in the middle of the 2nd tier.

As far as Clippard, I always get nervous when a RP is following up back-to-back seasons when they pushed 90 IP. More or less a personal preference since I don't believe there is any hard evidence that it leads to problems. Just feels like I've just been burned by pitchers that fit that mold more often than not.
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Re: Holds

Postby jonboy418 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:00 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:Thanks for the catch, Spuds.

Is Pestano locked into the 8th inning, Tav? What don't you like about Clippard?

Jonboy, I'm ranking holders not simply on their contribution to holds, but on their overall contribution. That means a guy like Jansen who has a chance to earn saves, too, gains value, even though you may lose his holds.


Thanks for the clarification. By going on that criteria, then Jansen is undoubtedly a tier one MR.
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Re: Holds

Postby AKhomebrewer » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:49 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:Jonboy, I'm ranking holders not simply on their contribution to holds, but on their overall contribution. That means a guy like Jansen who has a chance to earn saves, too, gains value, even though you may lose his holds.

Agreed. In the one league I play that counts holds, I'm looking for a) elite k-rate/ratios and b) those solid next-in-line guys, particularly on teams that appear to have the most tenuous closer situations. It's easier to find holds on the wire during the year; having a newly minted closer already on your roster when the in-season change is made: priceless.

p.s. - c) SP eligibility
• Aaron Hill: Avoids DL Jul 12 (RotoWire)
• Aaron Hill: Headed for DL Jul 12 (RotoWire)
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