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Re: Trade for prospects while remaining competitive

Postby Urban Cohorts » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:12 am

icemic wrote:That owner is not going to give those guys up for nothing, would you? There's not other way to get quality pitching for cheap as I constantly draft towards the bottom of the minors draft each year (7 minors spots on each team).

Personally, I like Lester, Wainwright, Cain better than Price anyways.


No, I wouldn't give up top pitching prospects for nothing. But for me, I like David Price way more than any of the other pitchers you listed.

Wainwright hasn't pitched in a year. Given that STL generally does a good job with pitchers suffering these types of injuries. He isn't a sure thing though. He is the first guy I attempt to move in this deal.

Cain is nice, especially in a H2H league, but most certainly has peaked. Cain is the second guy I attempt to move if he won't go for Wainwright.

I am a Red Sox fan and think Lester is a good pitcher. He is comparable to Price, but in all honesty I'd rather have Price. Price is younger, has slightly higher upside, and is more mature than Lester is. If their teams were reversed, I don't think there would even be a debate IMO.

But we're all allowed to have varying opinions. If you like the other three over Price, and are comfortable moving a good SP for prospects, then make the deal.
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Re: Trade for prospects while remaining competitive

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:47 am

I think you're selling Price short. This in particular:

icemic wrote: I'm not a huge fan of pitchers in the AL East and I don't think Price is going to get much better than he is, especially in the Wins department.


I think that's dead wrong. Listen, you absolutely cannot rate a pitcher going forward based on their win-loss record the year before. Price went from 19-6 to a losing season last year. He also increased his innings and his K/9 and decreased his walk rate. He got insanely unlucky with BABIP and strand rate. He's also 26. Lester, Cain, Wainright you cannot draft as your staff ace, not if you want to have a good pitching staff. With Price, if he does not improve at all and just gets less unlucky you're looking at a no. 2. If he improves (he's 26) and gets less unlucky, you're looking at a bunch of wins, a sub 3 ERA and 200+ K.
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Re: Trade for prospects while remaining competitive

Postby alexpic » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:22 am

Hey guys, new to the site. We made the trade. Here's how I'm looking. What do you think?

C- Russell Martin $1
1B- Michael Morse $11
2B- Kinsler $37
3B- Bonifacio $2
SS- Tulo $15
OF- Choo $1
OF- C.Young $16
OF- Delmon Young $11
UTIL- Jose Tabata $1
Bench- Freese $2
Bench- Dunn $15
Bench- Jason Kipnis $1

SP- David Price $15
SP- Stephen Strasburg $1
SP- Tim Hudson $5
SP- Jeremy Hellickson $1
SP- Francisco Liriano $16
SP- Cory Luebke $2
RP- Joe Nathan $20
RP- Marmol $17
RP- Soriano $1

After the trade, my minors include: Duffy, Carlos Martinez, Mike Montgomery, Colin Cowgill, and I have the #2 pick in the minor league draft this year.

Thoughts?
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