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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby kab21 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:42 am

He's going to be awesome. He had a 1.85 xFIP last year. ;-D

4th-6th rd is crazy though. I'll take an established ace (or near ace) in that range and take my chances in rds 10-end.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby bigken117 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:05 pm

J35J wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:Yes, Matt Moore is really good.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:19 pm

bigken117 wrote:
J35J wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:Yes, Matt Moore is really good.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby bayside » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:43 pm

In my keeper league where most all of the established aces are being kept, I have no problem targeting Moore in round 6-7.
Its shocking that Strasburg's ADP on MDC is 5 full rounds earlier than Moore's. (#64 vs #120).
In that regard i think Moore will be the better value especially in H2H leagues where its likely Stras is not a factor in the H2H playoffs.
At the very least Moore should get ~30 more innings than Strasburg
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby Urban Cohorts » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:41 pm

For reference-

In the Cafe Mock Draft, I selected Matt Moore with the 9th pick in the 8th round of a 14 team draft. It ended up being pick #107 overall.

On the flip side, Strasburg was selected in the 5th round with the the 7th pick (56th overall).

So a there is about a 4 round difference in a 12 team league between the two. Both players were taken almost a full round ahead of their MDC projections.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby raiders_umpire » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:11 pm

bayside wrote:At the very least Moore should get ~30 more innings than Strasburg



Probably true, but you have to remember that Moore will probably be pitching at least 6 times against Boston and New York. That will be the 30 extra innings he has over Strasburg against 2 of the very best offenses in baseball.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby bayside » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:00 am

possible, but not necessarily true. for any series at least one pitcher misses that particular team.
and if hes as good as the hype you are still going to start him anyway for the strikeouts if nothing else.
he totally dominated both Texas and NYY last year.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby Syfo-Dyas » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:21 am

raiders_umpire wrote:Probably true, but you have to remember that Moore will probably be pitching at least 6 times against Boston and New York. That will be the 30 extra innings he has over Strasburg against 2 of the very best offenses in baseball.


bayside wrote:possible, but not necessarily true. for any series at least one pitcher misses that particular team.
and if hes as good as the hype you are still going to start him anyway for the strikeouts if nothing else.
he totally dominated both Texas and NYY last year.

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David Price 10 starts vs BOS and NYY (2 in september)
James Shields 10 starts vs BOS and NYY (4 in september)
Wade Davis 2 starts vs BOS and NYY (both games in september)
Jeremy Hellickson 8 starts vs BOS and NYY (4 in september)
Jeff Niemann 4 starts vs BOS and NYY (1 in september, than he was sent to bullpen)
Matt Moore 1 start vs BOS and NYY (1 in september)
Alex Cobb 1 start vs BOS and NYY

The Rays play 36 games vs NYY and BOS.
I'd assume that Maddon wants the best chance to win, so he'll probably juggle his rotatation, that his best starters will play. I guess Davis 2 starts, both in September, when it was likely that they will miss the playoffs, is an indication that he did that.
So expecting at least 7 starts vs BOS-NYY is reasonable, but 8 or 9 is more likely.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby J35J » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:29 am

Syfo-Dyas wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:Probably true, but you have to remember that Moore will probably be pitching at least 6 times against Boston and New York. That will be the 30 extra innings he has over Strasburg against 2 of the very best offenses in baseball.


bayside wrote:possible, but not necessarily true. for any series at least one pitcher misses that particular team.
and if hes as good as the hype you are still going to start him anyway for the strikeouts if nothing else.
he totally dominated both Texas and NYY last year.

2011
David Price 10 starts vs BOS and NYY (2 in september)
James Shields 10 starts vs BOS and NYY (4 in september)
Wade Davis 2 starts vs BOS and NYY (both games in september)
Jeremy Hellickson 8 starts vs BOS and NYY (4 in september)
Jeff Niemann 4 starts vs BOS and NYY (1 in september, than he was sent to bullpen)
Matt Moore 1 start vs BOS and NYY (1 in september)
Alex Cobb 1 start vs BOS and NYY

The Rays play 36 games vs NYY and BOS.
I'd assume that Maddon wants the best chance to win, so he'll probably juggle his rotatation, that his best starters will play. I guess Davis 2 starts, both in September, when it was likely that they will miss the playoffs, is an indication that he did that.
So expecting at least 7 starts vs BOS-NYY is reasonable, but 8 or 9 is more likely.


Good pitching beats good hitting.

He can/will dominate anyone he's up against just like any other top end pitcher. Sure he'll have his bad games but he's not the type of guy, until proven otherwise, that you sit against anyone.
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Re: Will Moore be a star this year for the Rays?

Postby Skin Blues » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:43 am

We're still talking about Matt "One Career Start" Moore, right? He's already anointed as a top end pitcher that will dominate anyone he's up against? Really? It's silly to deny that being in a division with the two highest scoring offenses in baseball is a significant consideration. The only team in baseball that scores more runs than the average of his AL East opponents is the Texas Rangers. No matter how good a pitcher is, the quality of his competition will affect his numbers. As good as he is, Strasburg is much better and more proven. And faces much weaker competition.
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