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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby raiders_umpire » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:49 am

segerfan83 wrote:I certainly appreciate all of the responses up until this point. There are some wide ranging view points for sure. I do have the first pick so I can technically keep 7 if I go that route. I was a bit surprised to hear that this team is that bad. I thought with a good draft I could finish top 5, but I agree that I am relying a lot on young talent which can be tricky. I made two trades last year to get some of those players. They were as follows:

I traded:
Jon Lester
Brennan Boesch
Andre Ethier

I got:
Madison Bumgarner
Dan Uggla
Stephen Strasburg
Aaron Harang

I traded:
James Shields

I got:
Jhonny Peralta


Would you have made those trades? My thinking was to obtain players at premium spots. My final keepers at that point were going to potentially be: 1B Gonzalez, 2B Uggla, 3B Prado, SS Peralta, SP Strasburg, SP Bumgarner. I wasn't big on Shields as I think he's due to regress quite a bit, but I think I could have gotten more for him now that I think a little more about it. I also thought Lester and Ethier were regressing.



You made out big on the Lester deal, but got robbed on the Shields deal.
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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby bigh0rt » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:46 am

raiders_umpire wrote:You made out big on the Lester deal, but got robbed on the Shields deal.
This.

That Shields deal is a killer, even with as good as Peralta was.
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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby segerfan83 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:22 am

I never viewed Shields as a keeper and I figured SS are hard to come by. Shields plays in a hitters division and has a history of crashing the year after a great year. The only value I had for Shields was trade value for this year because no one else was willing to deal with me last year. I realize I got the short end of the stick now though because Peralta won't likely be a keeper for me either. C'est la vie.
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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby SecretAgentMan » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:55 am

segerfan83 wrote:I never viewed Shields as a keeper and I figured SS are hard to come by. Shields plays in a hitters division and has a history of crashing the year after a great year. The only value I had for Shields was trade value for this year because no one else was willing to deal with me last year. I realize I got the short end of the stick now though because Peralta won't likely be a keeper for me either. C'est la vie.



Peralta is hardly what you would call the next coming of Tulo either. I think more could have been had for Shields and even if you did not want to keep him. His trade value is\was a lot more than Perlata's and he could have been packaged with someone else for an upgrade. The first deal you made out well on.
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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby Urban Cohorts » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:03 pm

Adrian Gonzalez*
Madison Bumgarner*
Mat Latos*
Stephen Strasburg*

I would keep these guys for sure. Yes, you have to hold onto 3 SP, but I can't think of three I'd rather have long term than this group of pitchers (except Kershaw of course). Bum, Latos, and Strasburg are all going to be legit #1 type guys with huge K numbers. And for the Latos doubters, his home/road splits were about the same, so the move to CIN doesn't hurt him as much as some would think.

Then you have to choose 2 of the following-

Dan Uggla*
Jason Heyward
Mike Trout*

If you don't think you can compete in 2012, I go with Heyward and Trout. If you can compete, I go with Uggla and Heyward. I don't think Trout stands to get significant playing time just yet.

The first trade you made was very good, but you got ripped off in the Shields trade.
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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby segerfan83 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:10 pm

Urban Cohorts wrote:Adrian Gonzalez*
Madison Bumgarner*
Mat Latos*
Stephen Strasburg*

I would keep these guys for sure. Yes, you have to hold onto 3 SP, but I can't think of three I'd rather have long term than this group of pitchers (except Kershaw of course). Bum, Latos, and Strasburg are all going to be legit #1 type guys with huge K numbers. And for the Latos doubters, his home/road splits were about the same, so the move to CIN doesn't hurt him as much as some would think.

Then you have to choose 2 of the following-

Dan Uggla*
Jason Heyward
Mike Trout*

If you don't think you can compete in 2012, I go with Heyward and Trout. If you can compete, I go with Uggla and Heyward. I don't think Trout stands to get significant playing time just yet.

The first trade you made was very good, but you got ripped off in the Shields trade.



I agree with your entire post. I don't think I can compete this next year, but I am hoping for a strong top 8 showing. Depending on who gets thrown back into the draft pool, I could draft Uggla with the first pick and not lose anything. Let's say that I still had Shields on my team, would that change my keepers and how?
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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby Urban Cohorts » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:00 pm

segerfan83 wrote:I agree with your entire post. I don't think I can compete this next year, but I am hoping for a strong top 8 showing. Depending on who gets thrown back into the draft pool, I could draft Uggla with the first pick and not lose anything. Let's say that I still had Shields on my team, would that change my keepers and how?


In a 16 team league where you don't think you can compete in 2012 (but will finish in the top 8), it is probably best to build for 2013 rather than 2012. It shows that your team is at least in the top half. And with the keepers you have (most of which should improve, some drastically by 2013), you stand a good chance of winning then.

That said, your first overall draft pick really depends upon who is available. But if I had the option of re-drafting Uggla or another guy (who was younger or had more upside), I would go with the latter. Either that or just draft the best available player and try to package him plus a keeper for an upgraded keeper.

If you still had Shields, I don't think that would change the keeper list I put out there. It would have been nice to have Shields because after his 2011 season it would be very easy to package him with one of your keepers for a good upgrade. For example, you could have tried trading Shields + Uggla for Dustin. Probably not the best example, but something of the like.
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Re: Pick my 6 Keepers--WHIR

Postby Cream » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:38 pm

Urban Cohorts wrote:Adrian Gonzalez*
Madison Bumgarner*
Mat Latos*
Stephen Strasburg*

I would keep these guys for sure. Yes, you have to hold onto 3 SP, but I can't think of three I'd rather have long term than this group of pitchers (except Kershaw of course). Bum, Latos, and Strasburg are all going to be legit #1 type guys with huge K numbers. And for the Latos doubters, his home/road splits were about the same, so the move to CIN doesn't hurt him as much as some would think.

Then you have to choose 2 of the following-

Dan Uggla*
Jason Heyward
Mike Trout*

If you don't think you can compete in 2012, I go with Heyward and Trout. If you can compete, I go with Uggla and Heyward. I don't think Trout stands to get significant playing time just yet.

The first trade you made was very good, but you got ripped off in the Shields trade.


I'm with UC on this one (doesn't happen very often). I think you grab trout with your first pick if you are that high on him.
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